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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I started work at £940.
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How many hot cornish pasties could you afford ?
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| Quote ="Wheels"Good thread this.'"
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Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy s.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this - watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... s-end.html
Another point I want to make is that some employers are just as fussy as the unemployed. It’s another thing that never gets taken into consideration by the ‘there’s jobs for everyone’ brigade. Why aren’t the fussy employers criticised as much as the fussy unemployed? It’s one rule for one set of people and another rule for the others. I thought we was all equal on this planet?
The final point I want to make is that the system for the unemployed in this country is deeply flawed. It benefits no one other than those who are employed by an industry that’s supposed to help the unemployed back into work. Having any kind of unemployment benefit is more out of circumstance rather than choice.
Now I welcome anyone to try and debunk all that I’ve written here.
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Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy s.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this - watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... s-end.html
Another point I want to make is that some employers are just as fussy as the unemployed. It’s another thing that never gets taken into consideration by the ‘there’s jobs for everyone’ brigade. Why aren’t the fussy employers criticised as much as the fussy unemployed? It’s one rule for one set of people and another rule for the others. I thought we was all equal on this planet?
The final point I want to make is that the system for the unemployed in this country is deeply flawed. It benefits no one other than those who are employed by an industry that’s supposed to help the unemployed back into work. Having any kind of unemployment benefit is more out of circumstance rather than choice.
Now I welcome anyone to try and debunk all that I’ve written here.
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| if you think everyone is equal you are more naive than i thought.
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| Unfortunately this thread has moved away from the original issue of cake and Brazil. Having read some of the earlier comments in this thread I’ve had an inspiring idea.
Why don’t we turn this donate and get cake into some sort of enterprise?
Write down what you want and I’ll print it out and put it in a hat. Whatever gets picked out of the hat is the cause we’ll all support that week/month/however long it takes. It’ll be like the lottery but you’ll eventually get your prize because you it'll eventually get picked out of the hat.
I think we should start with small causes first just to see if this would work out. So if someone wants a new pair of trainers then we’ll put that in the hat. If someone wants £80 to spend in Waterstones then we’ll put that in the hat too. Eventually we’ll move onto bigger things once the concept has proven to work. We could have a mixture of needs/wants in the hat. So one week we could pick out a piece of paper that asks to raise money for charity.
This concept is proving to work with Ben’s ambition to work in Brazil. However he is an exceptional example of this working because so many seem to be disagreeing that people should be donating to help him get some work experience abroad. But I think this concept has been misunderstood and all I can do now is try and turn it into something that helps more people and more causes.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"if you think everyone is equal you are more naive than i thought.'"
Care to confront the other points I’ve made in that post or you just nit picking as usual to suit your narrow minded point of view?
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| you haven't a clue about the real world damo, not a clue. waste of time, not interested in you or your scrounging mates who have to turn to crime.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"you haven't a clue about the real world damo, not a clue. waste of time, not interested in you or your scrounging mates who have to turn to crime.'"
The same could be said about you with regards to having a clue about the ‘real world’. In this thread we have just discussed ‘the world’ in the local area and to a small extent this country. What you’re living in is a bubble where you assume there’s no alternative.
Oh and you’re accusing me of turning to crime now unless I’ve read that wrong?
My two best mates: One's a qualified doctor working for the NHS and the other ones an assistant teacher. I think you've got me very wrong.
I’m not really interested in you either. Just embarrassed that I have to share my existance with such an uninformed plonker.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"The same could be said about you with regards to having a clue about the ‘real world’. In this thread we have just discussed ‘the world’ in the local area and to a small extent this country. What you’re living in is a bubble where you assume there’s no alternative.'"
Is this guy making cakes and selling them to fund his trip? Personally don't see a issue with it. When I was younger I represent my country at my chosen sport. I had to go cap in hand to several businesses to get the money together to go and there were several events organised for me to help me go.
I cannot agree with you though on a couple of things damo though. People are not forced to turn to crime there are very few people who are forced to turn to crime.
Also on employers don't think you can fault them for being picky and wanting the best possible candidates for the role possible
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| [uyou[/u said people had to turn to crime which is totally unacceptable, except in your world.
i have been made unemployed quite a few times and each time i worked my tits off to get another job. i was self employed for years so don't you dare try and lecture me on living in a bubble. i've had a young family and no work but i never thought about turning to crime.
there is no excuse for being long term unemployed. none whatsoever.
and i couldn't give a flying what your friends do. try following there example and get off your fat and get a job and stop lecturing those who do bother to go out and work
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Is this guy making cakes and selling them to fund his trip? Personally don't see a issue with it. When I was younger I represent my country at my chosen sport. I had to go cap in hand to several businesses to get the money together to go and there were several events organised for me to help me go. '"
He’s made cakes, thrown parties and walked the three peaks amongst other things to raise money so he can get work experience abroad. I’m sure if this guy was a promising rugby league player who needed xxx amount to get to Australia so he could have the training of a lifetime to become professional then this thread would had took a very different direction. Unfortunately people have focused too much on Brazil rather than looked at the bigger picture.
Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that I’m probably not the best PR person in the world but I‘m trying my best.
A few of my relatives have also needed funding to represent their chosen sport abroad. I didn’t hear uproar from anyone back then and I hope people don’t have a go at you for needing funding at one point in your life.
Quote I cannot agree with you though on a couple of things damo though. People are not forced to turn to crime there are very few people who are forced to turn to crime.'"
I agree that more often than not people don’t need to turn to crime. But for the people that do need to then its unfortunate. I’m not condoning crime but I acknowledge that some people have no choice but to go down that path because of circumstance.
Quote Also on employers don't think you can fault them for being picky and wanting the best possible candidates for the role possible'"
I 100% agree with you. But the point I was making is that employers can be as fussy as the unemployed. Whilst one group of people are deemed worthy enough to be fussy another group isn’t. It’s double standards and totally hypocritical.
The unemployed get a lot of uncalled for criticism in this country. It’s normally from those who get paid to write articles in the media or people who have made bad financial choices in their lives and lay some of the blame on the amount of tax they have to pay to keep afloat people in worse circumstances than themselves: the unemployed. If unemployment was such a glamorous lifestyle then millions would have quit their jobs to be on benefits.
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| I am taking my under 10s to france thurs and some of us did 3 peaks to fund the childrens places. All adults have paid for there own trip out of wages for striking a bat something damo and his sponge mate dont seem to good at.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"He’s made cakes, thrown parties and walked the three peaks amongst other things to raise money so he can get work experience abroad. I’m sure if this guy was a promising rugby league player who needed xxx amount to get to Australia so he could have the training of a lifetime to become professional then this thread would had took a very different direction. Unfortunately people have focused too much on Brazil rather than looked at the bigger picture.
Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that I’m probably not the best PR person in the world but I‘m trying my best.
A few of my relatives have also needed funding to represent their chosen sport abroad. I didn’t hear uproar from anyone back then and I hope people don’t have a go at you for needing funding at one point in your life.
I agree that more often than not people don’t need to turn to crime. But for the people that do need to then its unfortunate. I’m not condoning crime but I acknowledge that some people have no choice but to go down that path because of circumstance.
I 100% agree with you. But the point I was making is that employers can be as fussy as the unemployed. Whilst one group of people are deemed worthy enough to be fussy another group isn’t. It’s double standards and totally hypocritical.
The unemployed get a lot of uncalled for criticism in this country. It’s normally from those who get paid to write articles in the media or people who have made bad financial choices in their lives and lay some of the blame on the amount of tax they have to pay to keep afloat people in worse circumstances than themselves: the unemployed. If unemployment was such a glamorous lifestyle then millions would have quit their jobs to be on benefits.'"
The problem for the unemployed are the few complete scrounges who get everyone unemployed fared with the same brush. The vast majority of people don't want to be on benifits but the few who do get the press and the assumption all are the same. It's not glamorous but it fits the needs of some and as I say all unemployed get tared with the same brush.
With regard to employees being too fussy it depends on your situation.
When I was younger living at home with no mortgage etc I took what ever work I could don't think you should be too fussy when you are in that situation as the more work experience you get the better.
My neighbour has just been unemployed and some of the offers he has had are a joke. He can't afford to take them as he has family to feed house to pay for etc. he has to be a bit picky.
Also my point regarding crime is there are very few who don't have a choice but to turn to crime
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| Quote ="tad rhino"[uyou[/u said people had to turn to crime which is totally unacceptable, except in your world.'"
I did say that some people had to turn to crime but I never said it was acceptable. I was just acknowledging what life can be like for some people in this country.
Quote i have been made unemployed quite a few times and each time i worked my tits off to get another job.'"
I’ve worked my tits off to try getting employment to no avail. Whenever that’s trying to get an entry level job or something in the creative industries. At times I have been lazy but it’s been for the good of my own health because rejection after rejection is not easy to take after a while.
Quote i was self employed for years so don't you dare try and lecture me on living in a bubble. i've had a young family and no work but i never thought about turning to crime.'"
Good for you. Want a medal?
Quote there is no excuse for being long term unemployed. none whatsoever. '"
Maybe you could try explaining that to people on their pension. They’re technically unemployed but I bet they could do some work for sure.
Quote and i couldn't give a flying love what your friends do. try following there example and get off your fat booty and get a job and stop lecturing those who do bother to go out and work'"
Nor could I give damn about your desire to shut me up.
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| I took my car down to the car wash this morning. Out of curiosity i asked one of the lads if there was any work.....to which he replied "there's always work here, ask him (he pointed to the guy who collected the money) he'll sort you out"
Im also pretty certain you won't need qualifications.
I look forward to seeing you there, Damo, next time I call in.
No feckin excuse. None at all.
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| Quote ="joshua102"I am taking my under 10s to france thurs and some of us did 3 peaks to fund the childrens places. All adults have paid for there own trip out of wages for striking a bat something damo and his sponge mate dont seem to good at.'"
That's very simplistic look at things.
My mum and dad both worked all their life and supported me financially in my chosen sport at the expense of the things they liked to do in both terms of time and money. I was selected for GB tour in Asia which was approx 6 grand that they couldn't afford so I got sponsorship and there were local charity collections organised so I could live my dream. My parents were not spoungers or scrounges which you seem to be intimating they were for doing that for me.
Nor am I, never been out of work all my life, when times were harder I worked 4 jobs to get a decent full time wage.
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| Quote ="joshua102"I am taking my under 10s to france thurs and some of us did 3 peaks to fund the childrens places. All adults have paid for there own trip out of wages for striking a bat something damo and his sponge mate dont seem to good at.'"
Oh those scrounging Kids. You should have had them working in one of those sweatshops in the Far East to fund their trips to France. It’s an absolute outrage. I’m been sarcastic of course.
I’m sorry but both yours and Tads logic is bias and incredibly flawed.
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| My point is the kids cant work so sponsorship was needed, you dont work like your friend because your a lazy coont.
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"I took my car down to the car wash this morning. Out of curiosity i asked one of the lads if there was any work.....to which he replied "there's always work here, ask him (he pointed to the guy who collected the money) he'll sort you out"
Im also pretty certain you won't need qualifications.
I look forward to seeing you there, Damo, next time I call in.
No feckin excuse. None at all.'"
He would have to get up out of bed sherbert and we cant have that. Damo and his friend have something in common with the car wash........ fecking sponges.
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| I don't see how people can compare -
Person selected to represent GB over in Asia, and taking kids (who cant exactly work for any money) abroad on a great trip....
To - guy wants to go abroad for work experience because he's not found anything here.
I think why so many are against it Damo is that all that time spent over in Brazil if he gets there, will it actually help him get a job when he gets back??? Or will he of just missed out on several good vacancies whilst being out of the country and have to start from stratch again.
It sounds like students who go on gap years to 'find themselves', funny how they have to 'find themselves' in very nice locations like Thailand and not Dundee for example.
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| Quote ="Ferdy"The problem for the unemployed are the few complete scrounges who get everyone unemployed fared with the same brush. The vast majority of people don't want to be on benifits but the few who do get the press and the assumption all are the same. It's not glamorous but it fits the needs of some and as I say all unemployed get tared with the same brush. '"
I agree with everything that you say. However I think that people become ‘scroungers’ because of a series of dire circumstances had made them give up. But people don’t give up forever and I’m example of that because I was completely defeated last year thanks to years of unemployment. So sometimes I do fit the definition of a scrounger but it’s not like I’ve had much choice.
Unfortunately there are some people on this forum who like to make a bad circumstance even worse by having a go at individuals without even considering every point.
Quote With regard to employees being too fussy it depends on your situation.
When I was younger living at home with no mortgage etc I took what ever work I could don't think you should be too fussy when you are in that situation as the more work experience you get the better.
My neighbour has just been unemployed and some of the offers he has had are a joke. He can't afford to take them as he has family to feed house to pay for etc. he has to be a bit picky.'"
I agree that it’s all about situation and that every situation is unique. Most people would probably fit me in the first situation that you described. However I think that situation is aimed at people between the ages of 16 – 18 in this day and age. Most of the unfussy jobs are poorly paid and you could probably only get a good enough income if you did a couple of jobs on the go. Unfortunately there are not enough jobs out there to provide for this.
The bottom line is benefits are there to help people fit in society because without them they’d be excluded. I certainly couldn’t live the lifestyle that I live if it wasn’t for the modest amount of money that I get. I want more but I just can’t get more at the moment so I’m just been content with what I’ve got and approaching opportunities when they arise. Same goes for your neighbour who’ll probably be getting criticised by tad and Josh soon because he’s turning down opportunities.
Quote Also my point regarding crime is there are very few who don't have a choice but to turn to crime.'"
Agreed.
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| Quote ="joshua102"He would have to get up out of bed sherbert and we cant have that. Damo and his friend have something in common with the car wash........ fecking sponges.'"
You shouldn't make judgements like the above on people without knowing all the facts. I don't know damo other than on these boards, and I know sometimes when people post they set themselves up for abuse and if you don't want stick don't post. However without knowing him or his situation not fair calling him a "lazy coont" as you say earlier
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I agree with everything that you say. However I think that people become ‘scroungers’ because of a series of dire circumstances had made them give up. But people don’t give up forever and I’m example of that because I was completely defeated last year thanks to years of unemployment. So sometimes I do fit the definition of a scrounger but it’s not like I’ve had much choice.
Unfortunately there are some people on this forum who like to make a bad circumstance even worse by having a go at individuals without even considering every point.
I agree that it’s all about situation and that every situation is unique. Most people would probably fit me in the first situation that you described. However I think that situation is aimed at people between the ages of 16 – 18 in this day and age. Most of the unfussy jobs are poorly paid and you could probably only get a good enough income if you did a couple of jobs on the go. Unfortunately there are not enough jobs out there to provide for this.
The bottom line is benefits are there to help people fit in society because without them they’d be excluded. I certainly couldn’t live the lifestyle that I live if it wasn’t for the modest amount of money that I get. I want more but I just can’t get more at the moment so I’m just been content with what I’ve got and approaching opportunities when they arise. Same goes for your neighbour who’ll probably be getting criticised by tad and Josh soon because he’s turning down opportunities.
Agreed.'"
I don't know how different we are in age, 32 this year! But when I was out of uni there were plenty of jobs knockng around which allowed me the chance to work 4 jobs to get a decent wage. I have a decent job now and have done for the last 9yrs which puts me out of touch with the Job
Market.
In my current role I see people from different parts of society and a worrying trend I see is not circumstance people being on benifits but a choice being made not to work and get money for free.
Again from my neighbours perspective he has always worked but made redundant. He has been offered a cleaning job 5hrs a week which isn't worth doing. And he even worked at a car wash place for a bit but was made redundant from there!
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My excuse is that I’m focusing on my beckoning career in the creative industries.
I’ll be starting tomorrow because I arranged a meeting with a few people who’ve had international success in that industry. They’ll be giving me the best advice and best contacts that someone like myself could wish for. It’s only a matter of time before my work starts to pay and I’ve just been unlucky to be with the right people at the wrong time recently.
I’m not going throw all that potential away to wash cars just to please a couple of people on this forum. Getting endorsed by the deputy prime minister was no fluke because I’ve been recognised by loads of different people at the top of their game by doing the things that I do.
The entry level job brigade has had their chance to employ me and they ignored me.
When I do become well paid in the creative industries then I shall give all my benefit money back eventually plus taxes. I remember watching the Cinderella Man which was about the boxer James Braddock. One scene that will stay with me for life is when he went back to the dole hole to pay back all the benefits he’s ever had to take from the tax payer. He didn’t have do it but it’s the right thing to do. Unfortunately I doubt most people on here would do the same if they had the chance. They’d probably look at ways to rip off the government by paying someone to help them evade tax.
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