I agree with Andy, it's a new stand with better facilities to watch rugby in, what did you want? your own en-suite.

Not sure what relevance that has to this particular project Andy.

If we were talking about new changing rooms, or new toilets, then I fully understand your point. But we are talking about a once in 30-50 years project. We are not always going to be in recession, infact many experts would argue we are not. Are you seriously suggesting that that the market opportunities for Leeds will not get back to what they were in say 2004 or 2005? or even then just back to what they were working to when they did he original plans?

Money is tight, that I can accept, but you only get one opportunity for putting up a new stand. We are not going to do it again in a couple of years when the economy is better.

Where you point is fully vaid is if we were building a new stadium with potential to expand later. But we are not doing that.

With hindsight, perhaps everyone ought to be a bit more positive about this new south stand.

Might appear unspectacular on first impression, but it's a solid, no-nonsense stand capable of making steady metres in both height, length and breadth. Shouldn't give too many penalties away either from an H&S perspective. I'm also guessing it'll provide all those extra little things which are essential but often go unnoticed by other more discerning supporters with an eye for aesthetics and class.

Does anyone know the capacity of the whole stadium and how many each stand holds? And how tall is the current southstand?

Should be renamed The Kevin Sinfield - playmakers pavillion

It's a backwards step. This proposed stand doesn't even replace the old one.

Our capacity was 22,000 until the H&S issue, when this is done, we'll be £7m+ out of pocket, and 21,000 capacity.

And you're concerned about us running our businesses?

At the VERY LEAST they need to put things back to how they were prior to the capacity cut.

I can only say I'm disapointed,just think of the jibes from opposing fans

Curently:

South Stand - 6,000
North Stand - 5,500
Carnegie Stand - 5,500
West Terrace - 3,500

I once read the club were thinking of commissioning a statue to John Holmes to go with the new stand.I now hope not it will cheapen his memory

Classic Hetherington - shows you a pciture of what you will get in the new southstand, but only if you sign up to be a Rhino4life and buy the super dooper season ticket with the rhinos annual and woolly hat
everyone signs up and then he shows you the real plans!



just like when he goes on an all expenses paid scouting trip to the internationals down under and comes back with the signature of someone from someone elses's academy

GH had lunch with Al Fayed last week, so we're gonna get a statue of Elizabeth Taylor instead. Apparently he's a fan.

Except some of us weren't stupid enough to sign up!



Although I agree with your point. It is naughty to have the bigger, better, posher South Stand pictures in the brochure for the season tickets.

If Leeds had spent the last two years turning away fans from their 20,000 capacity stadium then you might have a point.

When was the last 20,000 plus attendance at Headingley?

You don't spend money you haven't got on things you don't need. Leeds don't need (and are unlikely to need in the foreseeable future) a capacity of more than 21,000.

What is the foreseeable future Andy?

Every club in Super League is striving to improve crowds in the game as a whole. We had capacity crowds only 4 years ago.

We hit bad times in the economy and the drive for more fans took a backward step. I ask again do you seriously believe that these bad times will continue for ever?

As soon as the economy is back on track, the drive for bigger crowds will be there again. Although more importantly the need for corporate facilities will be there again.

We will not be in a position to knock down this new stand in a couple of years and build again. If ANY club is serious about growth aspirations and attracting income, then it needs to be better than this.

My point is, what is the point in doing this now? why not wait until the economy does pick up again and go back to the original plans? that is of course presuming that the issue here really is money.

what about the draw of the southstand, they had to make a "south stand ticket" because people were buying ground tickets and too many were trying to get in
it is the most famous and atmospheric stand in the ground for many (who knows if it will be after the build) and if it is not available how many would pay more to sit down or pay the same to stand elsewhere
i bet the southstand has sold out many times over the past few years, even when it had a larger capacity
why go for a cheap option now if the plans were there to do it properly only six months ago?

Quote ="RhinoNeil"What we've all been waiting for: www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16359.php? I'm disappointed. It looks like GH has took the cheapest option or has been forced to due to the height been restricted. 6.5K capacity as opposed to the 7.4 mentioned last year. 10 months to complete. Leeds not planning on moving away from Headingley during the building stage '" Oh dear... very underwhelming.. it'll look a lot better than at present thought on a postitive.. a sure sign of the hard financial times me thinks

Quote ="RhinoNeil"What we've all been waiting for: www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16359.php? I'm disappointed. It looks like GH has took the cheapest option or has been forced to due to the height been restricted. 6.5K capacity as opposed to the 7.4 mentioned last year. 10 months to complete. Leeds not planning on moving away from Headingley during the building stage '" Oh dear... very underwhelming.. it'll look a lot better than at present thought on a postitive.. a sure sign of the hard financial times me thinks

The last 22,000 was only in June '07. I know that's 4 years but not exactly ages ago.

To say we're unlikely to need the capacity for the foreseeable future is incredibly short sighted. What if we needed it in 2016? We'll still have this stand then!

Whatever we build now, we're stuck with for decades, and to spend £7m to reduce our capacity is total madness.

Careful with the word 'failure' Andy, it hasn't failed anything quite yet... but a few fellow engineers feel that they might lose some sleep if they give the old-girl another 'all-clear' for another year. The South Stand as reached the end of it's life and is no longer fit for purpose, structurally and otherwise. However, almost 80 years is not bad going for a structure of this kind!

So, just out of interest, is there a chance of me dying this year? Because where I stand you cant really get any further away from safety as it is

No, I can state that a catastrophic failure of the South Stand is highly unlikley... well at least for the next 12 months or so!



PS. My advice is to not jump up and down too much though, just in case!

"If you all jump about" then it will fall down

So... how much are those Carniege Terrace tickets again?

How many times has that capacity been needed since?

Since 2000 (which is as far back as the records on the SL Stats part of this website go), Leeds have exceeded the capacity under the new stadium plans a grand total of seven times.

Five of those occasions have been against Bradford.

So for one game a season, which hasn't had a crowd over 20,000 for four years, we want the club to be putting itself into additional debt which it then has to service? For what sort of return?

Course, the club could not do anything and just wait until the entire stand loses its H&S certificate if you want? Care to speculate on how much lost revenue that would result in?

OK !I will say it.Why not look into selling up relocating to maybe Boddington hall when leeds uni sell up then build a stadium befitting of the club?.
nothing but the best for Leeds rlfc.Not any more i'm afraid

Can I actually ask, what were people expecting it to look like? Just out of interest