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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I haven't written Wigan off, I'm just not believing the hype just yet about the gargantuan improvements in their players and their new master coach. Perhaps after the Leeds and Saints games I'll think differently.'"
Fair enough. See post below yours. You aren't the first to say that!
For the record, I think you're right. I think it's true to say that the Easter period often shakes the table up a bit and we generally get a picture for where teams are after it. Especially so, in this case, as playing Leeds (even an injury hit one), Saints and Wakefield in 10 days should be quite revealing.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I was thinking the same that Roberts is much improved on the player he was for Wigan last season but then he had that ridiculously loose carry back from a poor Sykes kick at Bradford, lost the ball in the collision that allowed Bradford to snatch an unlikely win. Then I realised, it's the same Roberts that was here last season afterall.
That apart he has looked impressive though when not costing Wigan competition points.
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And you might even see it again. We've had this discussion over on the Wigan board and we concluded that 10 tries and 6 assists will do, regardless of the odd error!
As for the 'same Roberts'. Well I'll leave you to believe that if it makes you feel better!
[size=50Not that I think you actually believe that for a second![/size
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"And you might even see it again. We've had this discussion over on the Wigan board and we concluded that 10 tries and 6 assists will do, regardless of the odd error! '"
And maybe next time it won't effectively cost Wigan the game..... there again it just might.
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| Aston Wilson to play on Friday apparently
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Didn't Saints blow up in a similar fashion at home v Bradford last season?'"
Lets drop saints.
Can’t remember Rhinos having a lost like that Wigan and St Helens did against Bradford. Surely the gulf in class stops Leeds from loosing when they have everything to lose in a match.
Yeah Leeds get beaten at times because a majority of teams in the league are more than capable of beating us on there day including Wigan.
But when Leeds are in top form we’re world class unstoppable. That is until we come across an Australian team
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| With a seriously depleted side through injury I'd settle for a 19 nil win at Wigan.
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| Quote ="tvoc"And maybe next time it won't effectively cost Wigan the game..... there again it just might.'"
It didn't cost us the game at Bradford. Poor defence and an even worse attitude in the 2nd half cost us the game. Roberts made one error that just happened to be the last play of the match. The game was won and lost way before that. On the other hand he has been responsible for winning us several games. Just ask the Cas fans. He scored three and made three on Sunday.
Incidentally, during the Bradford match he was responsible for more points than he cost us with that one play. His outstanding break in the first half from which we scored made up for his error on it's own. Don't be a mug who looks at one dropped ball and thinks that was the reason the game was lost. Unless you don't really think that and are just stirring it, in which case fair enough!
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| Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."With a seriously depleted side through injury I'd settle for a 19 nil win at Wigan.'"
That timely reference deserves some detail:
Date: 3rd November 1991
Venue: Central Park
Referee: Colin Morris (Huddersfield)
Attendance: 15,075
Result: 0-19 (HT 0-12)
Wigan:
Steve Hampson
David Myers, Dean Bell, Joe Lydon, Sam Panapa
Shaun Edwards, Andy Gregory
Kelvin Skerrett, Martin Dermott, Andy Platt
Denis Betts, Billy McGinty, Phil Clarke
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Mike Forshaw, Ian Gildart
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Morvin Edwards
Phil Ford, David Creasser, Simon Irving, Jon Bentley
Garry Schofield, Bobbie Goulding
Steve Molloy, Richard Gunn, Mike O'Neill
Roy Powell, Matt Shaw, Gary Divorty
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Gareth Stephens, Vince Fawcett
Tries: Phil Ford (2), Jon Bentley
Goals: Simon Irving (3)
Drop Goal: Garry Schofield
One of the best night's ever at Central Park. Simon Irving kicked a conversion off the first Phil Ford try before the referee was ready. Right off the touchline, wrong side for a right footer, it sailed straight between the sticks. No way could he do it again when the referee was finally ready, straight between the sticks again. Not forgetting Billy McGinty dropping the ball twenty out with about a five man overlap to keep Wigan scoreless. Brilliant.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"It didn't cost us the game at Bradford. Poor defence and an even worse attitude in the 2nd half cost us the game. Roberts made one error that just happened to be the last play of the match. The game was won and lost way before that. On the other hand he has been responsible for winning us several games. Just ask the Cas fans. He scored three and made three on Sunday.
Incidentally, during the Bradford match he was responsible for more points than he cost us with that one play. His outstanding break in the first half from which we scored made up for his error on it's own. Don't be a mug who looks at one dropped ball and thinks that was the reason the game was lost. Unless you don't really think that and are just stirring it, in which case fair enough!
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Yeah, like whatever.
Roberts holds on to that possession (and he has no-one but himself to blame for the sloppy carry) and Wigan probably see the game out after challenging Bradford to go the length with their final set of six.
I agree Bradford still had to score the winner and it took a good piece of play from L'Estrange and Hall but they'd have not had the opportunity but for Amos' good grace.
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| Quote ="tvoc"That timely reference deserves some detail:
Date: 3rd November 1991
Venue: Central Park
Referee: Colin Morris (Huddersfield)
Attendance: 15,075
Result: 0-19 (HT 0-12)
Wigan:
Steve Hampson
David Myers, Dean Bell, Joe Lydon, Sam Panapa
Shaun Edwards, Andy Gregory
Kelvin Skerrett, Martin Dermott, Andy Platt
Denis Betts, Billy McGinty, Phil Clarke
Subs:
Mike Forshaw, Ian Gildart
Leeds:
Morvin Edwards
Phil Ford, David Creasser, Simon Irving, Jon Bentley
Garry Schofield, Bobbie Goulding
Steve Molloy, Richard Gunn, Mike O'Neill
Roy Powell, Matt Shaw, Gary Divorty
Subs:
Gareth Stephens, Vince Fawcett
Tries: Phil Ford (2), Jon Bentley
Goals: Simon Irving (3)
Drop Goal: Garry Schofield
One of the best night's ever at Central Park. Simon Irving kicked a conversion off the first Phil Ford try before the referee was ready. Right off the touchline, wrong side for a right footer, it sailed straight between the sticks. No way could he do it again when the referee was finally ready, straight between the sticks again. Not forgetting Billy McGinty dropping the ball twenty out with about a five man overlap to keep Wigan scoreless. Brilliant.'"
I thought you would pick up on that.
Who was injured? from memory it was something like 9 players. I remember Ellery being one.
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| Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."Who was injured? from memory it was something like 9 players. I remember Ellery being one.'"
The backs weren't so bad, missing Carl Gibson and perhaps John Gallagher but up front and on the bench Leeds might have had Shaun Wane, Colin Maskill, Paul Dixon, Cavill Heugh, Ellery Hanley and David Heron all there or therabouts if available.
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| Quote ="Blue 'n Amber"Aston Wilson to play on Friday apparently'"
He's had some pretty good reports thus far who would he be replacing?
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| Quote ="tvoc"That timely reference deserves some detail:
Date: 3rd November 1991
Venue: Central Park
Referee: Colin Morris (Huddersfield)
Attendance: 15,075
Result: 0-19 (HT 0-12)
Wigan:
Steve Hampson
David Myers, Dean Bell, Joe Lydon, Sam Panapa
Shaun Edwards, Andy Gregory
Kelvin Skerrett, Martin Dermott, Andy Platt
Denis Betts, Billy McGinty, Phil Clarke
Subs:
Mike Forshaw, Ian Gildart
Leeds:
Morvin Edwards
Phil Ford, David Creasser, Simon Irving, Jon Bentley
Garry Schofield, Bobbie Goulding
Steve Molloy, Richard Gunn, Mike O'Neill
Roy Powell, Matt Shaw, Gary Divorty
Subs:
Gareth Stephens, Vince Fawcett
Tries: Phil Ford (2), Jon Bentley
Goals: Simon Irving (3)
Drop Goal: Garry Schofield
One of the best night's ever at Central Park. Simon Irving kicked a conversion off the first Phil Ford try before the referee was ready. Right off the touchline, wrong side for a right footer, it sailed straight between the sticks. No way could he do it again when the referee was finally ready, straight between the sticks again. Not forgetting Billy McGinty dropping the ball twenty out with about a five man overlap to keep Wigan scoreless. Brilliant.'"
I think you'll find that in the return game...we returned the compliment to the tune of 24-0
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| Quote ="hatty"I think you'll find that in the return game...we returned the compliment to the tune of 24-0
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Who asked for your input anyway.
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| Quote ="hatty"I think you'll find that in the return game...we returned the compliment to the tune of 24-0
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I think you might be missing the point. The point being we had a similar injury problem for that game as is likley to be the case on Friday.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"I think you might be missing the point. The point being we had a similar injury problem for that game as is likley to be the case on Friday.'"
tvoc, could you please post the Leeds team for that game played Sunday March 15th 1992
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"tvoc, could you please post the Leeds team for that game played Sunday March 15th 1992'"
Date: 15th March 1992
Venue: Headingley
Referee: Robin Whitfield (Widnes)
Attendance: 20,821
Result: 0-24 (HT 0-14)
Leeds:
Morvin Edwards
Carl Gibson, David Creasser, Craig Innes, Jon Bentley
Garry Schofield, Bobbie Goulding
Cavill Heugh, Colin Maskill, Shaun Wane
Gary Divorty, Paul Dixon, Ellery Hanley
Subs:
David Heron, Paul Anderson
Wigan:
Joe Lydon
David Myers, Dean Bell, Gene Miles, Frano Botica
Shaun Edwards, Andy Gregory
Ian Lucas, Martin Dermott, Andy Platt
Denis Betts, Neil Cowie, Billy McGinty
Subs:
Sam Panapa, Phil Clarke
Tries: David Myers, Phil Clarke, Shaun Edwards, Dean Bell
Goals: Frano Botica (4)
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| Quote ="tvoc"Result: 0-249 (HT 0-14)
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Crikey! What a second half
EDIT: Balls! You got there before i did
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"Crikey! What a second half
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It's not big or clever altering somebody elses posts.
You'll have to be a bit quicker next time.
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| Quote ="tvoc"It's not big or clever altering somebody elses posts.
You'll have to be a bit quicker next time.'"
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| Re the 249-0
I think it was Martyn Moxon opening the batting with Ashley Metcalfe.
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| They'd never get that score without Ashley throwing away his wicket.
Bad tech-neeeque.
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| Thanks for that
It's a good job Offiah was missing or it would have been 500 - 0.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"It's a good job Offiah was missing or it would have been 500 - 0.
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Watch it, I've got a long memory you know.
Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"They'd never get that score without Ashley throwing away his wicket.
Bad tech-neeeque.'"
I was going to use Geoffrey (with Richard Lumb at the other end) but I couldn't make the '92 timescale fit.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Thanks for that
It's a good job Offiah was missing or it would have been 500 - 0.
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But Leigh Deakin wasn't on the wing...?
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