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| Quote ="hopie4ever"so if sinfield plays this week he was just faking about his face injury?'"
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"I am not sure Bluey has or needs to do that... Mr Graham is making a great job of that all on his own!'"
Bluey was wise enough in the RL press this week only to refer to Graham's 'bad sportsmanship'. He refused to be drawn on anything further. That shows IMO that Bluey does indeed know it is a dodgy route to travel to start pulling apart someone professionally in print.
I don't care about Leeds own code. That's your code, not ours. Whatever our code is, is what is relevant to our players. It isn't Bluey's job to comment upon our players just as it isn't Potter's job to comment on yours.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't think Graham was wise in what he did but I don't consider what he did as being something that needed any action.'"
It is somethong that totally and without question warrants action by the club (but not by anyone else at this stage) IMO.
Keith, irrespective of the disiplinary panel, will get an internal fine by the club and I bet you he has had a good talking to by Bluey about loosing his rag.
I hope Mr Potter does at least sit Mr Graham down and tells him if he behaves like that again, no matter about the circumstances, he will find himself taking a rest for a game or two.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"
As for sportsmanship ... if Leeds fans really believed in it, they wouldn't be on here defending JJB's tackle, which fans of most other teams appear to be seeing quite clearly as a chicken wing and therefore wrong as it is a potential career ending tackle which was entirely unnecessary. However, I see little in the way of criticism for JJB's actions, plenty in trying to blame Graham for it instead, so I can hardly take seriously the descriptions on here of what it means to be sportsmanlike.
A true sportsman would have admitted to his wrongdoing, when it is inescapable that he did do what he did (for all to see on Sky), which JJB is not doing, and true sportspeople generally would say fair enough to him being punished for the same.'"
you might need to provide a link to those I cant recall any indeed some have condemned it and agreed with the punishment and to his credit IIRC JJB has pleaded guilty did he not ??????
But that doesnt seem to fit with your definition of sportmanship. ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"
I hope Mr Potter does at least sit Mr Graham down and tells him if he behaves like that again, no matter about the circumstances, he will find himself taking a rest for a game or two.'"
It could be argued thats already happend this week..... ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"you might need to provide a link to those I cant recall any indeed some have condemned it and agreed with the punishment and to his credit IIRC JJB has pleaded guilty did he not ??????'"
Er no, he didn't. He's appealing. You don't even read stuff about your own players!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Bluey was wise enough in the RL press this week only to refer to Graham's 'bad sportsmanship'. He refused to be drawn on anything further. That shows IMO that Bluey does indeed know it is a dodgy route to travel to start pulling apart someone professionally in print.
I don't care about Leeds own code. That's your code, not ours. Whatever our code is, is what is relevant to our players. It isn't Bluey's job to comment upon our players just as it isn't Potter's job to comment on yours.'" well potter had no problem commenting on keefs!! Saying in his post match that "before senior stated practising his boxing"!! If thats not mixing it for the media and the disiplinery I don't know what is!!
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| Player gets injured playing rugby shocker, IMO the forearm by Meli on Donald was far more dangerous, just that some Saints fans don't see bad tackles by their own players.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Er no, he didn't. He's appealing. You don't even read stuff about your own players!'"
Are you for real
he has indeed "lodged" an appeal presumably against the ban not the judgement
he has already pleaded guilty.
The fact that he as lodged an appeal may be a technicality (there will be a time limit / deadline) and it doesnt follow that an appeal will actually take place
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"well potter had no problem commenting on keefs!! Saying in his post match that "before senior stated practising his boxing"!! If thats not mixing it for the media and the disiplinery I don't know what is!!'"
And how is saying that Senior was practising his boxing a problem? Wasn't Senior a boxer? Did he not throw a couple of punches for all the RL viewing public to see?
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| ![Sleepy sleepy.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//sleepy.gif) Anyone else tired of all this bickering?
Graham spat his dummy out because he couldnt take been bossed by a Leeds pack. Is there really much else to discuss without going over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again about it?
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"Are you for real
he has indeed "lodged" an appeal presumably against the ban not the judgement '"
How do you know?
I have only seen reference to Senior and Leuluai pleading guilty, not JJB.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"sleepy.gif
Anyone else tired of all this bickering?
Graham spat his dummy out because he couldnt take been bossed by a Leeds pack. Is there really much else to discuss without going over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again about it?'"
Why did you go over your version of it again, then?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Why did you go over your version of it again, then?'"
Just to remind you of what happened incase you had forgotten, i mean its not like you have been crying since Friday is it ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif) ! Get some Kleenex man!
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Just to remind you of what happened incase you had forgotten, i mean its like you havnt stop crying since Friday! Get some Kleenex man!'"
I don't need reminding of the Leeds version of events on Friday. Your lot has been over our board like a rash ever since, whinging and whining as per usual.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't need reminding of the Leeds version of events on Friday. Your lot has been over our board like a rash ever since, whinging and whining as per usual.'"
What's for us to whinge about? For once, we've actually stolen the hubcap off the scousers!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't need reminding of the Leeds version of events on Friday. Your lot has been over our board like a rash ever since, whinging and whining as per usual.'"
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| Quote ="SouthStanderDave"What's for us to whinge about? '"
God knows, but your lot just keep on whining. Wish they'd feck off back to here.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Whereas, we don't use Jammer for tampons. I think you'll find that has something to do with the fact that we're in Merseyside and you're in Yarkshire. Dialects and all that.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"As for sportsmanship ... if Leeds fans really believed in it, they wouldn't be on here defending JJB's tackle, which fans of most other teams appear to be seeing quite clearly as a chicken wing and therefore wrong as it is a potential career ending tackle which was entirely unnecessary. However, I see little in the way of criticism for JJB's actions, plenty in trying to blame Graham for it instead, so I can hardly take seriously the descriptions on here of what it means to be sportsmanlike.
A true sportsman would have admitted to his wrongdoing, when it is inescapable that he did do what he did (for all to see on Sky), which JJB is not doing, and true sportspeople generally would say fair enough to him being punished for the same.'"
I don't think most Leeds fans on here have been defending his actions. I do think they have been, like me, defending the over-reaction from Saints fans!
You and other Saints fans have just decided, on the basis of no real hard evidence that JJB tackle was totally premeditated, deliberate, with malice and reckless and therefore he should get a long ban.. correct?
Interesting that the real facts, with which the panel clearly agree given there comments after the hearing, is that JJB was looking to turtle the player and got himself into a very poor technique within the tackle and he admitted putting undue pressure on the arm... it was a poor tackle and he pleaded guilty. Now, given JJB passed excellent disciplinary record and his admission of guilt the facts are that you have got to give him the benefit of that excellent record and acknowledge some belief in him saying that it was not intentional. Now, if we had say Terry Newton in front of the panel with similar story I am sure, like me and probably the panel, you might be justified in saying "well you know what Terry, we don't believe you" but JJB?
You and many other (but by know means all) Saints fans are the ones who are lacking persepctive on the chicken wing incident!
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| Saintsfan
Some of your fellow supporters do have some factual persepective on the incident... see the post second from bottom -
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That is all I and many other supporters are saying mate!
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Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"You and other Saints fans have just decided, on the basis of no real hard evidence that JJB tackle was totally premeditated, deliberate, with malice and reckless and therefore he should get a long ban.. correct?'"
The evidence was on the screen for all to see very clearly and it aint just Saints fans saying it was deliberate either!
For a chicken wing, which the RFL have acknowledged it as being, he can only get 1 to 4 matches. Since the RFL took his previous record into consideration he got 1 match. Personally, I think he should have gotten 2 because it was a bad one. And not only Saints fans are saying that, either. Even Pie eaters are saying that.
Only Leeds fans think he should not have been punished or that it was Graham's fault or whatever other rubbish is being spouted. I've seen a few acknowledge that it was a bad tackle and he got what he deserved (or was lucky to get only one match ban), but not many.
Case in point:
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Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"You and other Saints fans have just decided, on the basis of no real hard evidence that JJB tackle was totally premeditated, deliberate, with malice and reckless and therefore he should get a long ban.. correct?'"
The evidence was on the screen for all to see very clearly and it aint just Saints fans saying it was deliberate either!
For a chicken wing, which the RFL have acknowledged it as being, he can only get 1 to 4 matches. Since the RFL took his previous record into consideration he got 1 match. Personally, I think he should have gotten 2 because it was a bad one. And not only Saints fans are saying that, either. Even Pie eaters are saying that.
Only Leeds fans think he should not have been punished or that it was Graham's fault or whatever other rubbish is being spouted. I've seen a few acknowledge that it was a bad tackle and he got what he deserved (or was lucky to get only one match ban), but not many.
Case in point:
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Saintsfan
Some of your fellow supporters do have some factual persepective on the incident... '"
You mean, they agree wtih you?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"God knows, but your lot just keep on whining. Wish they'd feck off back to here.'"
You are aware of the irony of that post?
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