Nobody suggested KS is a coward that's just ridiculous.

KS said when he retired he had no desire to be a head coach or the like.

The fact he returned to Leeds in the capacity he did after what he said so soon had to raise eyebrows (i for the record thought terrible move seeing the ruthless job needed doing and half mates still being at the club.) But you wait and see

Just because he was a legend of a player does not give him a pass in a different capacity.simple as that

It also doesn’t mean he must be terrible as DoR.

It’s way too early to judge him either way, and most on here don’t know which decisions are his and which have been GH/BM and now Agar.

I’m going to be controversial here and suggest KS knows a truck load more than any of us on here about what Leeds needs to be doing.

Sorry, they are directly saying he is a coward! But not admitting it.

Interesting comments, I know a Stanningley players who are friends with DF son who along with his father are still in the Leeds area, both are driving club sponsored cars I have been advised. It is alleged, that there are issues with regards why DF was sacked. He has a strong case, it is reported that DF send the team sheet up to KS it was returned with either a tick to say the player was playing or a cross to remove him from the team and the reason why. If there is anyone who knows any Stanningley players who are Friends with Furners son, it may be worth asking what has been said to others. There is no reason what so ever that this player would tell me a rubbish, on the other hand I have no proof that it was true. All I remember was someone saying either KS had to go or DF, and KS made the decision who went and it was DF. Hence the bitter fall out etc. I know people will say that I don't like KS, but that is rubbish, but on the other side of the coin a lot of things that are coming out of the club are starting to ring true. Personally after listening to this player I believe him, he says KS is picking the team, so on here it's a split opinion , nothing at all to do with likeing someone or not, but there must be others who are active on this forum who must know players from Stanningley and also know DF son, maybe they can rubbish this rumour or confirm it, no doubt it won't stop people's opinions. I for one am not bothered who picks the team so long as the team that is picked gives 100 % and try's their hardest and gives the best for the club. All we are asking players is to give their best for the shirt, the club, supporters and themselves.

I don't know if it's true, but the squad seem happier and are showing far more steel than ever did for Furner.

I’m not sure team selection has been a big issue this year - more the choice of who we can select from in the first place.

It’s very easy to listen to whichever evidence suits your pre-existing view.

I do think Agar has brought some improvements to the side, although we aren’t attacking as well as we started with Furner.

I’m still thinking Demetriou or Powell; but Agar May still get the nod if he keeps us up.

Have you only just learned to read?

no one is saying he's a coward. It's pathetic to even use the word in this context

You said (with zero evidence) he wants to coach the team but doesn’t want the official title incase it all goes wring and he can them blame someone else.

What would you call that if not cowardice?

He is being allowed to do so, i would call it opportunistic.

I think there are different types of bravery. It is possible for somebody to be brave in one situation and to lack it in another.

We often think about bravery it physical terms, and would consider somebody like Jamie Peacock as being very brave. It could also be in terms of standing up for and sticking with what you believe in - and again, 10 out of 10 for JP. However, a reluctance to question what you believe in or have it questioned could conversely be seen as a lack of courage.

My concern when Peacock became our DoR was that people who have enjoyed as much success as he did as a RL player, in any field, tend to fall victim to their own mythology and believe in/focus on the nicest or most easily-admired reasons for their success. I do see some parallels with what he did at Rovers with some of what Sinfield has done at Leeds. I didn’t expect it, tbh - I thought there was maybe a subconscious ‘it’s only Hull KR, so they can be patient’ attitude with Peacock, whereas Sinfield would see Leeds as deserving and needing more immediate improvement. Also, Sinfield just seemed a bit more thoughtful and eloquent. There’s some consolation in seeing the damage of their apparent template for success being wreaked at its spiritual home, having endured its import to East Hull. Sorry - I was and seemingly still am a little bitter about it.



People are judged more on outcomes than their efforts and capabilities. I have sometimes wondered what would have happened after 2016 if we’d had just a bit more luck at any one of several key moments. Would Peacock’s plan have started to pay dividends, or was it just irredeemably flawed? Assuming you stay up, it’ll be interesting what happens next. Will KS learn and adapt or stick to his guns (which is braver? Is that the same as ‘best’?), will this season’s difficulties make your club stronger in the medium-term or is it going to need a long-term rebuild?

Common sense

The way Brisbane are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Seibold is available by the end of the season.

With all due respect you are talking some complete utter bull e on here.

Time will tell, but Sinfield is trying to build a title-winning squad. We’re still a couple of players short but we’ll be much better next year than this.

Powell wants to win titles. Ideally he wants that with Cas, but if they’re unwilling or unable to spend on marquee signings they are going to lose ground.

Wow Sinny as director of rugby and Agar as acting head coach can regularly be seen discussing things during games...What ever next?





Would the Tigers games that you state that Wells doesn't even attend perhaps coincide with live Sky TV games where he is employed to be at those televised games?

Someone at the club said to me yesterday Agar was getting a 3 yr contract but may well have been nonsense

Idle WMC on a hot Sunday afternoon is full of gossip.

I'm actually starting to think this will happen for better or worse! look if he can get the team playing well and back up the top end then I'm fine with it, not that he would be my first choice...

There’s no question the side is playing better now since Agar took over, although we seem to be relying on individuals too much still. Furner did seem, initially, to give us some shape on attack.

He wouldn’t be my first choice but the club might feel that he’s doing a good enough holding job while KS focuses on this almost unprecedented overhaul job.

Don’t see the need to give a long-term coaching contract though. Why not say he’ll be coaching in 2020, but will revert back to his original position if and when a new
head coach is found?

The whole Agar thing is a bit strange; brought in while DF was gathering a cloud and then put into post after DF was fired - now speculation that this might be longer term after all. Smacks of some legal foxtrotting if I’m honest.

I am not convinved we are better. I genuinly think there is a better belief throughout the club, and more togetherness, but I am not convinced we are playing any better. In those first four games of the season, we produced some performances that far exceeded anything we have seen since.

Like I said, I do believe Agar, along with Sinfield has brought back a toughness and improved attitude, which we desperately needed. But match threat wise, I don't really think we have kicked on. Even yesterday, whilst our completion rates were great, the basics were good, and the defence in parts tough, we still looked way off a top side. Going with that same set up, which I will put my neck on the line and say I don't believe will be the case at all, you can only see us continuing at the bottom half of the table rather than the top.

It may well be, that the reason for all that is that the players also are in mid mindset, in that they know it could just change again in a few months, and/or they might not even be there.

I sort of agree, Our attack isn't as good as it was with Furner but our Defence is much much improved as is the team togetherness. I't going to be really interesting how the rest of the season pans out

Agar isn't the only variable - getting rid of Tui and Parcell you would think should help some with team morale. Tui also missed tackles and made errors every game.

Lui coming in changes the team quite a bit, shifting Sutcliffe into better-suited back row position and giving us more threat from half.

I expect Martin to make a positive difference too.

Watkins out and Merrin as new captain is also a significant change.

Agree we don't look Champagne Leeds at all. I also think a "proper" first grade coach could be the difference between another meh season for 2020 and actually getting excited.

For me though the club is doing the right thing in addressing the playing squad first.

If improved togetherness and spirit is all Agar brings, I think that'll be enough to save our skins this year and I'll take that 100%.

Club have to think long term with the next appointment. Agar for me isnt going to lead us to super league glory again. Hes ok to steady the ship but not to take us back to being the best.

Yep agreed.