Not that I'm saying we shouldn't be relegated. But this is a logical possibility that comes from treating all SL clubs the same when they clearly aren't.

I'd think the same if it was Wigan or sts and I for one think SL made a huge mistake not moving heaven and earth to keep the bulls up.

This is not 1980 when Wigan went down - that was a semi-pro era with laughable crowds and a much poorer game financially.

Cas fan here, one who doesn’t want Leeds relegated. I agree it will be disastrous for the game as a whole. Trouble is, using this argument and following it through, the same could be said of Sts, Wigan, Wire, Hull, Cats. But would the bigger picture include Salford, Cas, Wakey, Hudds HKR? I think not.

I'm a Leeds fan so I obviously don't want us to go down and I'm 90% sure we won't think we'll just win enough games to see out the dreadful season but if I'm being honest and unbias now towards any teams I think with no disrespect intended it would be better for the whole if super league and English rugby if it was one of Wakefield, Huddersfield or Hull KR to go down. Leeds have been a big club for the most of the super league era and are on of the wealthiest clubs with a good academy system so it would be bad for our game if we did go down which I really really hope we don't. With London in Super League it's better it gives our game a capital input and London could be a team on the up if they got a bit more financial support and make rugby a really big hit down there if it was showcased properly there is potential for rugby league in London. Like I said no disrespect to Wakey, Hudds or KR they have positives to give the game but they are less compared to Leeds and London.

Wakey ( small club, old stadium not a big fan base never really competing for major honours. Would Super League miss them not really imo)

Hudds( Ok stadium but is a football ground and is never filled due to small fan base, never really competing for major honours again super league wouldn't really miss them imo even though it was the birthplace of rugby league. )

HKR ( already have a Hull fc in super league who seem to compete for major honours a bit more, KR probably have a strong fan base but not like a Leeds, Saints or Warrington. Hull derby probably would be missed for television but think super league would be fine without KR in super league .

As I said I don't want to disrespect these other teams but imo it would be a better outcome for all apart from the club that is relegated obviously relegation is not good for anyone involved with it but unfortunately that's sports major sports have it and it creates entertainment and money so someone has to suffer it.

What I am concerned about is a relegation struggle 3 seasons out of 4 and how much longer is it going to go on ? What is the reason for it ? Weve seen no change from last year ,if anything it's worse

Last year was Mac losing the plot then not replacing him. We then bring in Furner for who the team wouldnt play for then we haven't replaced him with quality. So that's 2 of the years. 2016 I do believe was the effect of Sinfield retiring and the floods to the training ground. Dont forget we were no where near finishing bottom then it was the bottom 5 or 6 or whatever it was..

What's next years excuse?

Gary is praying for rain...

It will stop when the powers that be decide to stop putting sticking plasters over gaping wounds and take a bit of responsibility for the enormous botch-job of our vital transition phase leaving us spiraling towards a total disaster.

Recruitment has been disastrous (though recently getting better) instead of investing in quality, we've gone for a constant stream of project or cheap options in crucial, key positions and arguably some that were never the correct pedigree to wear the blue & amber. Others we have just been unfortunate enough to sign just as their form has nosedived or disappeared entirely.

To be fair, even after all that, a decent experienced coach with a fresh outlook,financial backing and the freedom to break up a team that had gone on too long could have seen us through, but lets get real, we have never known success like the last decade and we've done everything possible to string it out, Nobody wanted to be "that" guy who breaks up the band and we have really struggled to balance loyalty on one hand and hard business sense on the other and in hindsight that's the crux of the problem.

No one team has a right to be constantly at the top, constantly getting to finals etc but we'd be very naive to think that we shouldn't at least be able to compete at a basic level with the resources, financial clout and management nous at our disposal. What we need is honesty and leadership, leadership from the very top down.

Gary accepts NO responsibility for the mess since 2015 so all down to Sinny and his coaching this season

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What’s stupid and childish and knee jerk wanting someone who is past his sell by date to move on.
It seems by the reactions on here I’m not the only one.
Is this,a forum for debate or just a sounding board for the same old same olds.
Childish
What’s with your inset picture him
Glass houses

[i:1xcgd8r4HKR ( already have a Hull fc in super league who seem to compete for major honours a bit more, KR probably have a strong fan base but not like a Leeds, Saints or Warrington. Hull derby probably would be missed for television but think super league would be fine without KR in super league .

As I said I don't want to disrespect these other teams but imo it would be a better outcome for all apart from the club that is relegated obviously relegation is not good for anyone involved with it but unfortunately that's sports major sports have it and it creates entertainment and money so someone has to suffer it.'"

This board is free for anyone to make an opinion, without which we'd have a very dull forum and only talk about RL results etc, maybe the odd milkchurn or coffee table.

With an inflammatory thread title as this one you really are going to get polar opposite opinions which are bound to be heated. Just because someone calls you out with their take on it doesnt mean they are getting personal, it means they have just as strong a feeling / opinion as you.

Frankly, im no Hetherington mega fan but sheesh, where would we be without him? He's already handing the running of the business over to others and is deffo on the outer after a long reign so maybe theres an over reaction to him at this current time, yes he has responibilty for some of the issues we are having but be careful what you wish for, youll miss him when hes gone.

They're not excuses they are the reasons. And its mis management.

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when was last time kr competed at high end of super league like 2009? Finished fourth, you got embarrassed in 2015 challenge cup final, like I said I wasn't disrespecting any club just giving my opinion on each club, sometimes you need to generate your own wealth and success something I see hull KR struggling to do and haven't looked like doing since being in SL.

Actually I'd put kr close to the top of the mid size teams. They get decent crowds when they go well and the hull derby is a big game for the sport.

Aside from Bradford, who are a special case, p&r really only exists for two heartland clubs - Leigh and Widnes. It doesn't give 'hope' to fev, Batley etc - they're too small for a fully pro world.

A thread title of Hetherington Out is stupid and childish.
Forcing out a long term and highly successful CEO and shareholder mid-season whilst he’s handing over his role in a responsible and logical manner is stupid, childish and incredibly knee-jerk.

As is the use of terms such as “past his sell by date” and whinging about not being allowed an opinion.

CATALAN and SALFORD we will beat

SAINTS and WIRE we will lose


SO i reckon we need to beat one of MIDGETS or LONDON to avoid relegation

PROBLEM Poor record at MIDGETS and not good on PLASTIC

We can only be concerned by the next game that's the most important cos it's the next game and it could potentially move us to 8th.

We need an effort like we got at Castleford from everyone and I include the fans in that because I thought the South Stand was really quiet for most of the game Sunday.

We should beat Saints B team

Not a chance Saints will rest players against us. Not a chance.

The week before the Challenge Cup Final in what will be a dead rubber for Saints? We will see, I think they will.

Ok, let's simplify this - What does removing Hetherington from his post achieve? Having an answer to that is the difference between a "well thought out view" and a "knee-jerk reaction".

As others have noted, he is more than likely retiring in the next couple of years and in the process of handing over elements of his role to Sinfield and, one presumes, Rob Oates.

This.

One game at a time. It's become painfully obvious that this season is unpredictable for most teams, and we can't afford to pick and choose which games to prioritise.

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Predicted Final Standings - its going to be close, and I think we need 3 wins - but discuss

Huddersfield 24
Hull KR 22
Wakefield 22
Leeds 22
London 20

Winners in BOLD
FRIDAY 2ND AUGUST
Huddersfield Giants -v- Leeds Rhinos 2
St Helens -v- Wakefield Trinity 0
SUNDAY 4TH AUGUST
Hull Kingston Rovers -v- Castleford Tigers 0
London Broncos -v- Salford Red Devils 2
FRIDAY 9TH AUGUST
Leeds Rhinos -v- Catalans Dragons 2
Wigan Warriors -v- Hull Kingston Rovers 0
SATURDAY 10TH AUGUST
Castleford Tigers -v- London Broncos 0
SUNDAY 11TH AUGUST
Salford Red Devils -v- Huddersfield Giants 2
Wakefield Trinity -v- Hull FC 2
THURSDAY 15TH AUGUST
Leeds Rhinos -v- St Helens 0
FRIDAY 16TH AUGUST
Huddersfield Giants -v- Castleford Tigers 0
SATURDAY 17TH AUGUST
Catalans Dragons -v- London Broncos 0
SUNDAY 18TH AUGUST
Hull Kingston Rovers -v- Wakefield Trinity 2
FRIDAY 30TH AUGUST
Hull FC -v- Huddersfield Giants 0
SATURDAY 31ST AUGUST
Catalans Dragons -v- Hull Kingston Rovers 2
SUNDAY 1ST SEPTEMBER
London Broncos -v- Leeds Rhinos 2
Wakefield Trinity -v- Wigan Warriors 0
FRIDAY 6TH SEPTEMBER
Leeds Rhinos -v- Salford Red Devils 2
St Helens -v- Huddersfield Giants 0
Warrington Wolves -v- Wakefield Trinity 0
SUNDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER
Hull Kingston Rovers -v- London Broncos 2
FRIDAY 13TH SEPTEMBER
Huddersfield Giants -v- Catalans Dragons 2
Leeds Rhinos -v- Warrington Wolves 0
SUNDAY 15TH SEPTEMBER
Salford Red Devils -v- Hull Kingston Rovers 2
Wakefield Trinity -v- London Broncos 2

I'm sure there's a place in the backroom at Cas when you force him out.