think greg and goodway were past it

stephenson and hanley still good

wane ?
iro had a year in australia and went on to sts who else ?

i'd say more a time signed everyone who was a big fish in small pond at wakey

You'd be hard pushed to find who was less impressed at being transferred to Leeds, Wane or Crooks. In fact Wane pretty much replaced Crooks in the squad. Not a master stroke.

Slightly off topic but I have to say that the way Kev is focusing on the culture at the club has to be applauded.

We might need one or two mavericks to take us up a level but this side seems committed and hard working.

Looking back it’s easy to see turmoil and issues at Leeds. Craig Innes wasn’t too complimentary about his transition from RU and that was before RU was fully professional...

Oldham were a target as well, we got Ray Ashton, Hugh Waddell, Wigan got Andy Goodway, Mike Ford

Not for Leeds but best prop I've ever seen was a young Fielden. Was a freak...

Goodway was a funny one seem to remember he was coming back from a bad arm break all but ready to retire and was persuaded to not retire and sign for us and see how it went. Didn’t work out, but we did the same with Gary Connolly and that went well. Gregory was past it but we needed a 7 desperately after Goulding was sacked.

He was great for 3-4 years and probably the best prop in the world at one point but then declined rapidly.

as a Wigan fan i would say Jamie Peacock hands down, and certainly a player i would have loved at Wigan. Could certainly handle himself and play a bit



Kylie Leuluai is one i had a lot of respect for. Turned up week in week out and very rarely took a backwards step. Perhaps didnt get the plaudits of some of the others, and i would say one of the unsung heroes of your successful generation.

Barry Mac, dont really need say much else about him. I like good hard prop forwards, and he fits the bill

of moz , jp , graham and fielden i'd pick moz

Andy Platt was immense in the 80's at his peak

trevor skerrett but not when at leeds

Certainly was.

a night at the museum? or rubbing a plastic rhinos horn? the only culture that breeds is winning matches

being serious committed and hard working covers too many of the squad , there should be a fb , centre or hb that are well above that , also pack to have a sts or cats like prop and a 2nd row that makes some breaks , though we are probably as strong as could be if the 2 new forwards come good.... What culture would you say saints have had throughout sl or wigan had 80s/90s

So was Kev Ward. definitely up thee with the best, there were rumours at the time IIRC that Leeds were signing him.

He was also a big hit in his stints down under.

did anyone see dennis hartley play ?

Moz was a second row in his prime. Only really converted to prop in his Warrington days. Would you really say he's best prop you've seen from his Warrington days?

definitely a second row at leeds was prop in australia i thought , certainly bulked up there , jp was aslowed down 2nd row with a giant heart ,graham had too many stand off pretensions

Graham was Overrated, and a spoilt brat imho..
Remember one game he ran off at Headingley without any hand shakes, Coz his beloved Saints had lost...!

He became a prop really at Easts, so played essentially three quarters of his career there. But very little of his Leeds career.

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Moz was definitely a back rower in his early career at both the Rhinos and also at the Roosters when he initially moved over there to be reunited with Graham Murray

In both the 2002 and 2003 NRL GF's Moz definitely started in the back row for the Roosters and It wasn't until the 2004 season that he actually moved up to the front row position on a regular basis (from my recollection of his career over there)

Yeah that's what I thought. Was very good at prop for Wire, but not exceptional imho...
Might have had something to do with the quality around him for some of those years though....

Sorry, correct, Oldham. He was from Cas.

i think around this time he was seen as the best back rower in the world and justifiably so imo. an absolute beast of a player. i watched a few of the grand finals from that time recently on youtube, Roosters had a fantastic team back then with the likes of Fitler, Minichelo and Moz and Fitzgibbon in the backrow. should have won more than the one GF.