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| Quote ="Ferdy"For me as in law ignorance is not a defence. And we shall agree to disagree because I think he has been let off, as I say the pannel would have DQ most other players.
I think he needs to invest some of his millions into a rule book. Not the first time he has made error this year'"
Someone's watching the BBC
I'm just not a fan of anyone getting DQ'd for something as stupid as that. If it had have been picked up on at the time he would have been handed a 2 shot penalty and been in the exact same position as he is now. Human error should be allowed. he has been penalised what he should have been at the time and we should just let them get on with it. I never agree'd with the rule even before they made that amendment. Like I said, if you intentionally cheat, that's fair enough. He didn't though and he has been penalised what he should have been yesterday.
He is Tiger Woods though and people love to hate him. Personally, I look past his personality and indiscretions and know that I want to see his talent as much as possible on the TV, because it's not often you get to see something like what he delivers.
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| Quote ="Harrigan"Someone's watching the BBC
I'm just not a fan of anyone getting DQ'd for something as stupid as that. If it had have been picked up on at the time he would have been handed a 2 shot penalty and been in the exact same position as he is now. Human error should be allowed. he has been penalised what he should have been at the time and we should just let them get on with it. I never agree'd with the rule even before they made that amendment. Like I said, if you intentionally cheat, that's fair enough. He didn't though and he has been penalised what he should have been yesterday.
He is Tiger Woods though and people love to hate him. Personally, I look past his personality and indiscretions and know that I want to see his talent as much as possible on the TV, because it's not often you get to see something like what he delivers.'"
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I don't dislike him that much, and personally after his "indiscretion" I actually liked him a little better.
I don't like the sulking and pouting that goes with him but agree some of his play is special to watch. I think one of my favourite woods performances was in the play off for the us open? Against rock mediate.
What I don't like about this decision is that I am positive most other players would have copped a DQ. I appreciate what you are saying though
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| Quote ="Ferdy"I am!!!!
Made the switch from sky.
I don't dislike him that much, and personally after his "indiscretion" I actually liked him a little better.
I don't like the sulking and pouting that goes with him but agree some of his play is special to watch. I think one of my favourite woods performances was in the play off for the us open? Against rock mediate.
What I don't like about this decision is that I am positive most other players would have copped a DQ. I appreciate what you are saying though'"
I have Sky and BBC on but I'm with BBCs comms, mainly because I can't stand to listen to Mongomerie. He's so full of himself it's unbelievable. Anyone would think he beat Jack's record by 1 the way he goes on.
The way I see his moods and sulkyness is because he's a winner and anything less than perfect isn't good enough. People said the same about James Graham, but that's because he's a winner too. I prefer that attitude over someone who has no drive. It separates the good from the great.
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| Quote ="Harrigan"I have Sky and BBC on but I'm with BBCs comms, mainly because I can't stand to listen to Mongomerie. He's so full of himself it's unbelievable. Anyone would think he beat Jack's record by 1 the way he goes on.
The way I see his moods and sulkyness is because he's a winner and anything less than perfect isn't good enough. People said the same about James Graham, but that's because he's a winner too. I prefer that attitude over someone who has no drive. It separates the good from the great.'"
Agree regarding monty. Still mentioning his 2010 Ryder cup team.
Regarding woods being a winner I can see your point, but you chose a bad comparison. Most of the time I have seen graham he is usually a loser
I put his attitude to being ginger!!
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| Right, so here we are with 1 round left. Snedeker will take some beating but Cabrerra has been there and done it before. Out of the pack I'd say Kuchar has a good chance and if I was to put money on anyone who isn't -7, it'd be him.
I'm not sure on Tiger. His puttings been off since midway through yesterday and I reckon he'll have to shoot a 68 to have a shot.
I still think -7 is too high for this course. Yesterday I said the leaders tonight would be at -5 and I wasn't far off. I'm saying tomorrow that -5/-6 will win it. It should be an exciting afternoon of golf though and I'm looking forward to it.
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| Snedeker is a great putter and with the greens speeding up he must have a good chance - the only question is whether he can take the pressure? The one player I fancy if he can hole some putts is Justin Rose
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Why should he - why didn't the on course rules official or his playing partners point that out to Woods when he took an illegal drop?
This only came to light when a tv viewer point the error out - I suppose he didn't keep the point at which the ball crossed the hazard between himself and the hole?'"
He said in his after round press conference that hr dropped it 2 yards behind on purpose. To me that makes the TV viewer phoning up irrelevant. He broke the rules deliberately.
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| Quote ="LFCPatriotRhino"Not seen too much golf recently but Snedeker should be a good shout , if in doubt pick a South African.'"
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"He said in his after round press conference that hr dropped it 2 yards behind on purpose. To me that makes the TV viewer phoning up irrelevant. He broke the rules deliberately.'"
No he was using a rule that states you have to keep the point at which it crossed the hazard between himself and the hole - you can go as far back as you like in this case. The point it crossed the hazard was when it came off the flag and into the water. As I said before there were rules officials and his playing partners who didn't see anything wrong - to say he deliberately broke rules is unfair and inaccurate.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No he was using a rule that states you have to keep the point at which it crossed the hazard between himself and the hole - you can go as far back as you like in this case. The point it crossed the hazard was when it came off the flag and into the water. As I said before there were rules officials and his playing partners who didn't see anything wrong - to say he deliberately broke rules is unfair and inaccurate.'"
So, without reading or watching everything else on this why was he later penalised by 2 shots?
If a player enters an incorrect score I thought that meant automatic expulsion.
I bet had it happened to the young chinese lad, he'd have been disqualified.
Had Woods been dq'ed I expect viewing figures would have suffered.
Not that I'm suggesting the 2 matters are related.
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| Come on angel what bottle on the 18th after the aussie sunk a 20 footer.a slow burner but worth staying up to hopefully watch an aussie choke!!
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No he was using a rule that states you have to keep the point at which it crossed the hazard between himself and the hole - you can go as far back as you like in this case. The point it crossed the hazard was when it came off the flag and into the water. As I said before there were rules officials and his playing partners who didn't see anything wrong - to say he deliberately broke rules is unfair and inaccurate.'"
He didn't know the rule!
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| So the aussie wins.im happy for him because he should have won the open last year but that worm on his bag makes me sick!
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"He didn't know the rule!'"
The rules of golf are very complex and not an exact science - they are open to interpretation. You are effectively saying Woods is a cheat which I personally believe to be incorrect. He made an understandable error for which he was penalised - the 4 shots he lost at that one hole - the two for the penalty and the two because of the ball hitting the flag and going in the water cost him the win.
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| The ball going in the water was an unlucky break but I guess these things occasionally happen and not just to Woods. He still carded a six after a good recovery shot and short putt played from an illegal drop.
I don't think that's what cost him in the grand scheme of things, he missed too many makeable putts and spent too much time hacking out of the trees to make a charge.
Kept thinking Westwood was going to make a putt ...... but never did.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The rules of golf are very complex and not an exact science - they are open to interpretation. You are effectively saying Woods is a cheat which I personally believe to be incorrect. He made an understandable error for which he was penalised - the 4 shots he lost at that one hole - the two for the penalty and the two because of the ball hitting the flag and going in the water cost him the win.'"
This sums it up for me. I said the same last night elsewhere.
The shot he hit that pitched full on the flag was near perfect. He would have walked off that hole at -6 and leading. Instead he had to play catch up for the rest of the tournament and he made a few errors. If I were Tiger I wouldn't be overly bothered because he did play well enough to win. I wouldn't be surprised to see him add 1 or 2 more majors to his name this year anyway.
He didn't cheat either. It was a simple mistake. If you go out of bounds, the rule is you can take a drop within 2 club lengths, no nearer the hole. When he dropped he probably had that in mind even though the circumstance wasn't the same. He was heavily penalised for that 1 shot anyway and it has cost him his 5th Green Jacket.
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| Quote ="tvoc"The ball going in the water was an unlucky break but I guess these things occasionally happen and not just to Woods. He still carded a six after a good recovery shot and short putt played from an illegal drop.
I don't think that's what cost him in the grand scheme of things, he missed too many makeable putts and spent too much time hacking out of the trees to make a charge.
Kept thinking Westwood was going to make a putt ...... but never did.'"
It was carded as an 8 in the end.
It changed everything. I truly believe if he pitches that 3rd shot dead, as it would have been, he walks off with a 4 and coasts home. The reason he started missing putts after that and going wide was because he had to push it to get back in instead of playing smart golf, which he could have done with the lead. Even though he's looking like his old self playing wise, mentally he isn't the same. He lets everything get to him now where as in the old days he played like it never happened.
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| Anyway, as for the golf it's self, I was wanting Day to come home but those last 2 holes weren't kind to him over the weekend. Cabrera and Scott made what started off as a non eventful 4th round very exiting though. Scott's putt and Cabrera's 2nd on the 18th were both worthy as winning shots, and its how I love to see majors closed out. The playoff was just as exciting and they traded shot for shot. How agonisingly close was Cabrera's putt on the 10th?!! In the end though, Scott's putting won it, and to sink the pity's he did under pressure he deserved it.
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| Yes I know it was scored an 8 with the penalty but my point was that these things occasionally happen and not just to Woods.
He accepted he'd made a mistake and accepted the two stroke punishment - you bet he did - he probably expected to be disqualified.
What did Woods say when the 14 year-old was penalised for slow play - wasn't it along the lines of 'rules are rules' ?
(I know little about golf but do like to watch the Ryder Cup and Masters in 3D)
Edit: Cabrera's putt on the 17th (after he made birdie at 16) should have ended it - great finish in the rain.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Yes I know it was scored an 8 with the penalty but my point was that these things occasionally happen and not just to Woods.
He accepted he'd made a mistake and accepted the two stroke punishment - you bet he did - he probably expected to be disqualified.
What did Woods say when the 14 year-old was penalised for slow play - wasn't it along the lines of 'rules are rules' ?
(I know little about golf but do like to watch the Ryder Cup and Masters in 3D)
Edit: Cabrera's putt on the 17th (after he made birdie at 16) should have ended it - great finish in the rain.'"
I agree they happen, and its unfortunate, but as Sal and I said, that one shot changed everything for Woods and cost him because he had to play catch up. When you're leading, those putts he was missing go in more often than not. When you are chasing, it's amazing how often they just veer off at the last second. Either way, the 8 changed how he had to play the game. Scores never tell the whole story in golf. There's so much more that goes into how someone plays.
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| He didn't have to play catch up after the 15th on Friday, he had to put the unlucky break out of his mind and concentrate on the job remaining. It was a set-back but with 39 holes still to play he had plenty of opportunity to overcome the misfortune.
In my uneducated opinion he was lucky to still be in the tournament - if anything was playing on his mind I think it should have been that.
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| It was the 13th that proved crucial on the final day, Cabrera just found the water on his shot to the green and Scott JUST managed to avoid it. When I saw that shot avoid a swim I thought then that it might be his day.
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