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| Quote ="DHM"Don't we get these comments every year though? I think there has been at least one major criticism of Burrow for as long as I can remember him being in the team. Is the form of Burrow the reason for the team's poor results early on or a consequence of a team playing poorly? It's hard to single out a player - especially a half back - when the team as a whole makes fundamental errors like dropping the ball, missing tackles and not numbering up right on our own line. Must be enormously difficult for a half back to make a team improve when they keep giving the ball away and making bad defensive choices.
Of course he can't go on forever, nobody can, but he's criticised every year.'"
The current leeds team is at the stage where, if theres any chinks people will start to say that they've had their day, they're past it, they've had their success. 6 years ago it was team with potential, now when we play poorly you'll get more and more murmerings about certain players being past it.
Reality is, this team still has some mileage in it yet.
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| Every year the Leeds fans have to have a go at a player......a scapegoat if you like. I can remember right back to when Tony Kemp played for us, and he was a scapegoat.
The whole team were poor for the first rounds in SL, yet one player is again made into a scapegoat, then when he plays well in a game, its put down to a 'one off.'
Disa is again talking rubbish.
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Every year the Leeds fans have to have a go at a player......a scapegoat if you like.
The whole team were poor for the first rounds in SL.'"
I agree this year buderus, kirkie and rob are getting plenty of stick.
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| Quote ="The Magic Wand"Did I say that?
Buderus has played about 6 games since his return from a broken leg, at which point some kneejerkers have written him off - today he was outstanding, I expect him to get better and better to the point where those numpties championing Diskin will look a little silly.
Its like comparing a Picasso with a Rolf Harris!!'"
Rolf Harris is the better singer every time!
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Completely disagree - Buderus looks a pale shadow of the player he was - Diskin's introduction changed the game completely'"
you either watched a different game to me david or are being deliberatly obtuse. buderus was very good yesterday and diskin was awful
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| Quote ="tad rhino"you either watched a different game to me david or are being deliberatly obtuse. buderus was very good yesterday and diskin was awful'"
Diskin def wasn't awful. Like I said to you earlier I wouldn't say Buderus had a bad match, but he wasn't stand out either.
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| So how many hookers are we going with next year i'm getting very confused. On the same page as this thread we have another asking which 2 hookers of McShane, Buderus or Diskin are we going with next year
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Diskin def wasn't awful. Like I said to you earlier I wouldn't say Buderus had a bad match, but he wasn't stand out either.'"
i thought he was. supurb against the dragons but he had an off day for me but thats opinions for you
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| Thread after thread, its one pi$$ing contest after another on here. Unfortunately those who know very little never seem to run out of pi$$. Amusing
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| Quote ="Seth"Thread after thread, its one pi$$ing contest after another on here. Unfortunately those who know very little never seem to run out of pi$$. Amusing'"
It's a forum for opinions. Some are fekwitted, some are not. Why dont you contribute your opinion on this or should everyone just log on and read blank pages?
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| It's good to express opinions, but some of the 'my dads better than yours' type argument is pretty pathetic. Just wondered if people realised how child like they sounded.
On the subject, buderus it can't be denied has been world class, an unsettled time so far has meant his impact on the whole is not would be expected. On limited viewing and hearing comments, I don't think his heart has been in it at Leeds. Diskin has been great for Leeds, reason for Leeds attacking shape improving against Catalan was off the back of some good go forward with diskin controlling the ruck. For the future Mcshane should be second choice to diskin next year, although I've little doubt buderus will show some class before his Leeds days are done.
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| Quote ="rhinohawk"When Buderus went off the game could have easily gone either way. When diskin came on we started firing in the points. Surey this is no coincidnece.'"
I read up to page one and got no further. I thought Buderus played well. But I thought Diskin played better. regardless of who is the better player the team seems to be able to read Diskin far better than they can Buderus. We simply look a better unit with Diskin there.
Did nobody notice the new set move with the centre looping behind a forward dummy runner. Diskin executed this perfectly 3 times and the two times it was Senior it led to a try.
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"Completely disagree - Buderus looks a pale shadow of the player he was - Diskin's introduction changed the game completely'"
Agreed David (i've caught up on the rest of the pages).
I take some comfort that we are of the same opinion (as well as El Barbudo) and that I am in polar disagreement with other posters.
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| Quote ="G1"I read up to page one and got no further. I thought Buderus played well. But I thought Diskin played better. regardless of who is the better player the team seems to be able to read Diskin far better than they can Buderus. We simply look a better unit with Diskin there.
Did nobody notice the new set move with the centre looping behind a forward dummy runner. Diskin executed this perfectly 3 times and the two times it was Senior it led to a try.'"
Is that the same move they did with Tansey that led to 2 if not 3 tries (or maybe even 4) for Briscoe?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Is that the same move they did with Tansey that led to 2 if not 3 tries (or maybe even 4) for Briscoe?'"
I don't think so. It's hard to describe in type and I haven#t seen the footage yet but it was definitely a new move from Leeds. Diskin executed it perfectly with Senior twice and Delaney once and it really made great meters.
Been in London but I'll have another look at some highlights this week and try and be more articulate about it.
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| Seen a lot of good teams grow old & or stale together, have also seen some overspend for short term gain then spend years in the wilderness, but I hope GH stays one step ahead, even if it does mean a new player to spice the midfield up. Most clubs change one of the halves over a 3 or 4 year cycle, whats at Leeds has worked for the last few year, just don't try to milk it as the comp gets stronger.
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| Quote ="mps"Seen a lot of good teams grow old & or stale together, have also seen some overspend for short term gain then spend years in the wilderness, but I hope GH stays one step ahead, even if it does mean a new player to spice the midfield up. Most clubs change one of the halves over a 3 or 4 year cycle, whats at Leeds has worked for the last few year, just don't try to milk it as the comp gets stronger.'"
I like you. I think you talk a lot of sense.
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| Sad thing was that when these teams became old & stale Leeds bought their players for inflated wages!! hence years in the wilderness. (cheers dougie)
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| Quote ="Seth"On the subject, buderus it can't be denied has been world class, an unsettled time so far has meant his impact on the whole is not would be expected. On limited viewing and hearing comments, I don't think his heart has been in it at Leeds. Diskin has been great for Leeds, reason for Leeds attacking shape improving against Catalan was off the back of some good go forward with diskin controlling the ruck. For the future Mcshane should be second choice to diskin next year, although I've little doubt buderus will show some class before his Leeds days are done.'"
I pretty much agree with that.
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| Douggie made a lot of bad buys but I'm ever so grateful I got to watch Ellery Hanley regularly for a few years.
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| Dougie gave us Ellery.
Dougie also gave us Sinfield.
Plus, unlike most of his predecessors, Dougie cared about the club, whatever his rights and wrongs.
Dougie = legend.
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| Quote ="G1"Plus, unlike most of his predecessors, Dougie cared about the club, whatever his rights and wrongs.
Dougie = legend.'"
I'd agree. Furthermore, some of the Widnes sides that he played for and coached were mighty impressive too.
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| Quote ="G1".
Dougie = legend.'"
He sure was, not many people could smoke a fag & pick their nose the way he could.
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| Quote ="G1"Dougie gave us Ellery.
Dougie also gave us Sinfield.
Plus, unlike most of his predecessors, Dougie cared about the club, whatever his rights and wrongs.
Dougie = legend.'"
If he'd been working under the current management at the club, Dougie wouldn't have lasted two minutes because he wouldn't have been given carte blanche to buy who he wanted, irrespective of cost IMO.
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| I'll always remember Lawton for coaching the Widnes team that annihilated us at home 26 - 0 in the cup.
The most impressive play I'd seen from any team against us they were simply magnificent.
When he became our coach I hoped that was the sort of rugby we'd be seeing from Leeds, sadly we never hit those heights.
But as has been said he brought Hanley into the side & for that I'll always be grateful.
Pity he ran us into the ground financially but without that we may never have had the Hetherington/Caddick era so it all ended well eventually.
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