Would have missed almost the entire season through injury which is why they paid him off. If the wire board counts as a reliable source.

Aside from him being a liability there's also the quota issue

100% no.
There`s a reason why Wire paid him off.
Chances are he could miss most of the season and he`s not that good anymore.

You just keep saying the same thing. We need a big meter making impact prop, we look light up front and if we get a few injuries we will be up against it.

Taking Wigan out of this conversation. Every single side is looking for a meter making impact prop, every side will be up against it if they get a couple of injuries up front. That is the reality of salary cap, if your players don’t play then you struggle, because what you bring in will never be as good as first choice.

We are realistically only going to play 4 props given our captain is our 13. Yes we are a bit light with Goudemand, Hudson and TNW as essentially our 5th,6th and 7th option. Ideally we would have burgess (who you consistently go on about) over one of those players. But Burgess costs a heck of a lot more than they do and probably every club in SL would want to sign him if he was available.
Most people agree we have done the best business in the off season. Addressing our whole spine with good quality players that fit the style our coach seems to want to play. Pressure is on him for sure. But this isn’t fantasy land football manager when you just sign who you want, when you want. For me next year we probably look at bringing in a different profile back row player to replace Martin and potentially a different profile prop depending on how we go this year. To me that is sensible and sustained. TNW May get game time as May Hudson and suddenly we have 3-4 home grown front row options which man our ability to go big on that further prop is enhanced.
Burgess or Ackers - I pick Ackers at the moment.
Burgess or Croft - I pick Croft at the moment.
I discount Frawley because we needed a second half back either way.
I can see your potential arguement of burgess over Miller but I would still take Miller. Myler is 33/34 has limited pace and I don’t think he fits the way we want to play with the new players we have brought in. So I can see you saying we should have signed a big impact prop. But I think the response of we have addressed bigger needs first carries more weight. Obv all opinions and untainted Rohan will live by the sword and die by the sword if we don’t perform.

Agree but I do think we could have gone hard for Eseh, for example. I think we felt there were better options with internal players and Hudson but time will tell.

I’m still not sure about Goudemand - he is a good player but I can’t see why we signed him.

We are gambling a little on fitness and form up front this year, most of our props seem to be under some kind of injury cloud. Said it before but our pack was undermined last year by consistent errors in the back line; I’m expecting us to look tighter this year and to apply more pressure.

There were still plenty of games where the pack gave metres for fun and struggled to break our 40m line when in possession. We know Rohan has a fondness of moving players on if he thinks they've underperformed; I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was the odd unexpected departure along with other out of contract forwards if the pack don't up it this time.

TNW likely headed to York on loan according to Leeds Live. Hopefully that means the reported injuries to Lisone and Holroyd are not as bad as feared.

Respect your opinion, but completely disagree that I would take Miller, an unknown quantity at this level with limited experience and for me a gamble, over Tom Burgess. Incredible.
Croft and Frawley were no brainers. We had no half backs.

My point was that, in my opinion, prop was higher priority than hooker or full back right now.
Our front row was one of the worst in SL last year.
Have we strengthened it?
No, on paper it's weaker.
Sangare has been rewarded for a very underwhelming and frankly disappointing season, by being promoted from 5th/6th back up into the weekly 4 rotation.
Just one injury and our bench props are Sangare and Goudemand.

It’s OK saying Tom Burgess over Lachie Miller, however was that ever likely the option? It’s not as if we’ve lost out on Burgess to another SL club.

I disagree on Hooker, we had a young player that had only played one year at Hooker as our first choice without signing one, and as it happens we have now got in of the best in SL

Yeh not sure if TB was / is ever a likely option.
Just saying , IMO, he's the type we need (as well as being a lifelong Leeds fan).

Appreciate we can't completely change the whole team in one off-season.
And again, our recruitment has been very good.
Agree on Ackers, it's an excellent, low risk signing.

I guess time will tell on how our front row compete this year.
I just think that is our biggest risk area.
Along with how well the new guys settle in and how we fare with injuries, but they're always a risk.

The issue with the front row last year was the inconsistency, they showed in games they could match it with the best, Wigan away been an example that stands out. But then we would crumble again Cas and Wakey.

On the face of it last years faltering front row is a bit weaker still, though the hope is Oledzski is back to form, Holroyd can maintain his for longer and stay fit, Sangare greatly improves (im not convinced hes got it in him, Goudemand could be a really valuable consistent performer, Hudson gets fit and fullfills his undoubted potential, Lisone Kicks on with his form at the back end of last year.

A lot of unknowns and yes if the hypothetical Tom B instead of Miller, and keep Myler at FB, i would have taken that but, it was never on the table.

I'm not sure that we are as light up front as people are making out. I think too many people are still thinking we needed to replace Walters - even though he doesn't see himself, nor wants to play, in the front row anyway.

Oledzki will have more impact this year. He looked like he held back after his shoulder surgery at times last season, and literally couldn't look any fitter than he does at present.

Lisone looks to have improved his fitness dramatically as well. He was a handful at the end of last season, and I think he will carry on where he left off. He shouldn't be out for too long with his thumb injury.

Holroyd will come on leaps and bounds this season too. I don't think we have seen his full potential yet, and I still think he has it in him to be a better player than Walters.

Goudemand may be the type of cover forward we need. People are a bit sceptical about his size, but he knows where the try line is and how to get to it. I think this seasons Leeds team will be clever enough to work out how to use him well and not need to use brute size down the middle everytime, anyway.

Sangare disappointed me last season. He seemed a bit shy at times and didn't use his size well, in my opinion. I think he lacked fitness, but that should be improved dramatically this year. I'm hoping he shows that he can be the powerhouse that we want.

Hudson, Nicholson-Watton, and Ruan all look hungry and capable of filling a bench spot. We will probably see them on loan to improve their game, but I don't think any will take a step back or show any less than 100% if put in a Leeds shirt. Ruan is turning into a big physical lad, and the other two aren't far behind.

I got a bit of stick on here this time last year for saying we were a bit light in the forwards. I think we will do alright this time around. We now have the team that are capable of working around them, and be able to win games with fast playing offence instead of relying on bullying our way down the middle. That also relieves pressure on our forwards and keeps them fresher for when we do decide to punch a hole in the defensive line - which any of them are capable of doing.

Hopefully this optimism won't be knocked out of us in the same way as the start of last season. I think the forwards are good enough but I am concerned about missing a few props at the start of the season and the potential for us to struggle if we're subject to recurrent injuries to Oledski and Holroyd.

Yes hopefully its case of working smarter not harder.

We were the dumbest team by some margin in SL last year IMO, I'd like to think that with Ackers, Croft, Frawley and MOM we've increased our rugby IQ by some margin.

Holroyd will come on leaps and bounds this season too. I don't think we have seen his full potential yet, and I still think he has it in him to be a better player than Walters.

Potential to be better than Walters? He’s already better than Walters, he’s younger and already a full England international, people really have an inflated opinion on Walters abilities, much like Walters himself.

Ps i agree with everything else.

Ps i agree with everything else.

Holroyd is decent , but i think you will find that Walters will be the higher rated by most neutrals by the end of 2024

Walters will be playing back row so it's not really a comparison.

Different positions this year, and even when Walters played prop last year, he and Holroyd are very different types of player.

Holroyd needs a couple more years on him. He is a big aggressive lad who needs a bit of maturity to fulfil his potential - and more robustness to injury.

I’ve been critical of Bentley but I do hope he shows us more of his promise this season. He does have some quality but we’ll see if he can cement a starting spot.

This is the point about our prop roster Jim.
We don't have that luxury with Holroyd.
He's now one of our senior props, so we need him fit and playing every week.

we seem overstocked in yhe back row and light at prop.
similar to under agar who just preferred 'middles'.