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| Couldn't argue with many of Klein's decisions. The "elbow" was borderline, a penalty and a bit of rough treatment from Peacock and Ablett were sufficient for me.
Leeds did give away a lot of penalties under pressure second half , but hard to bin anyone as they were for pretty varied offences, offside against Mags, a couple of ball steals, some borderline high shots etc. If we'd been pinged for messing around at the PTB 3 or 4 times in quick succession then the yellow card might have made an appearance.
The "spear" tackles were not dangerous in themsleves and I don't think there was any intent, but they should have been penalised and they were.
Good game, well reffed.
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| Quote ="DHM"Couldn't argue with many of Klein's decisions. The "elbow" was borderline, a penalty and a bit of rough treatment from Peacock and Ablett were sufficient for me.
Leeds did give away a lot of penalties under pressure second half , but hard to bin anyone as they were for pretty varied offences, offside against Mags, a couple of ball steals, some borderline high shots etc. If we'd been pinged for messing around at the PTB 3 or 4 times in quick succession then the yellow card might have made an appearance.
The "spear" tackles were not dangerous in themsleves and I don't think there was any intent, but they should have been penalised and they were.
Good game, well reffed.'"
I agree.
I thought Klein did a better job than Silverwood did last time we were in the WCC.
Plus do you think that Ganson would have kept his yellow card in his pocket when we conceded as many consecutive penalties ( all correct decisions IMV) as we did in the 2nd half?
It was pleasing to see how correctly Manly played the ball, I wish all SL teams did the same & we are as guilty as everyone else in that regard.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"I agree.
Plus do you think that Ganson would have kept his yellow card in his pocket when we conceded as many consecutive penalties ( all correct decisions IMV) as we did in the 2nd half?
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Ganson's a c*@k. He still hasn't realised that the people who go to RL games haven't actually paid to see him.
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| Yes good game well reffed. No ticky tacky soft penalties for technical stuff. Let em bash each other and let em play. Resulted in the kind of match I and any purist rugby league fan should enjoy.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Klein did extremely well to keep the contest 13 V 13 throughout.
He also showed plenty of leniency to keep the game flowing rather than stopping it needlessly for soft offences like knock ons and forward passes - liberal Union-like interpretations appearing to be the order of the day. Possibly highlights how soft the two referee system has made the refs from down under.'"
I agree - at one point when Manly were camped on our line in the 2nd half there was one offload where the Manly forward appeared to hand the ball to a player stood in front of him. I've not seen a replay (nor could I name when it occurred so probably never will) but it seemed laughably blatant but was perfectly in character with the way the game was reffed.
I guess it's one of those where it's better to have a consistent ref than a "good" ref!
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| Klein is human, humans make mistakes, I beleive that he made less errors than either of the two side contesting an excellent, consistently watchable properly contested game of rugby league.
I wish all our refs were as competent & that all SL games were such gripping games.
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| No Problem with the refereeing, think the elbow should result in a ban though, looked deliberate and obvious. Not sure of the value of letting that go.
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| In an International fixture? Not represent the Australians
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| The value of letting it go is keeping League a contest between equal numbers on the field unless something outrageous occurs. Either side loosing a player to the bin or permanently would of altered the flow of a great contest and potentially decided the outcome.
Last night was my type of league rather than the ever increasingly sanitised version we have to put up with normally. Bring on the world league.
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| Quote ="tvoc"The value of letting it go is keeping League a contest between equal numbers on the field unless something outrageous occurs. Either side loosing a player to the bin or permanently would of altered the flow of a great contest and potentially decided the outcome.
Last night was my type of league rather than the ever increasingly sanitised version we have to put up with normally. Bring on the world league.'"
I have no problem with him being left on the field, id agree it is better for the contest and the spectacle. I just think he should be punished to a level that it becomes a clear disincentive. It was as clear, as deliberate, and as obvious as any leading with the elbow could be, it was more luck than judgement that it didnt injure someone.
Why not give him a one match ban after the fact, he then knows he cannot do it again, but we keep the game at 13 a side and see the great spectacle we saw?
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| I have no problem with that if it's warranted.
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I suspect last night was the closest we'll get to seeing SOO style referreeing (liberal interpretations) in this country and what resulted was a contest with players playing close to their physical limits.
Players should be allowed some latitude to express their prowess as long as it stays within a controlled environment.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I have no problem with that if it's warranted.
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I suspect last night was the closest we'll get to seeing SOO style referreeing (liberal interpretations) in this country and what resulted was a contest with players playing close to their physical limits.
Players should be allowed some latitude to express their prowess as long as it stays within a controlled environment.'"
I dont disagree. I think it is a problem we see in the game is that we seem to veer from a sanitised game to a game like we saw last night almost at a whim.
I have no problem with leading with the elbow being punished by a penalty and only a penalty if a prop forward dishing out a bit of 'justice' is treated in the same way.
I think the game is stuck in between wanting to have an attitude similar to ice hockey with the players keeping each other honest, and an attitude like football where the referee has to punish everything. I would hope they go for the former, but on the precedent of recent history they are going for the latter and thats why he should be punished.
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| Think Klein started a little shakeily yesterday, but did extremely well overall. Many referees would have lost complete control of that game. But he did very well.
The two Manly tackles while were dangerous, won't intentional IMO. They went above the horizontal rather than a spear tackle, (no where near as bad as the union lot do). The elbow could have been a yellow, but then Ablett would probably have followed for a cheap shot to the ribs afterwards. Thought he did very well.
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| If tommys lee's swinging arm on briers is not classed as a sending off then anything goes. Bentham bottled it big time
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| Quote ="G1"Yes good game well reffed. No ticky tacky soft penalties for technical stuff. Let em bash each other and let em play. Resulted in the kind of match I and any purist rugby league fan should enjoy.'"
Agree, thought it was well reffed. Don't think there was anything worth a sending off,
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| If tommys lee's swinging arm on briers is not classed as a sending off then anything goes. Bentham bottled it big time
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| Quote ="tad rhino"If tommys lee's swinging arm on briers is not classed as a sending off then anything goes. Bentham bottled it big time'"
Wasn't a good tackle. Eddie on sky raised a good point. (can't believe I have said that!!) TS has been moaning about getting ganson too much but if they had him for this game hudds would be down to 12 men
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| Quote ="tad rhino"If tommys lee's swinging arm on briers is not classed as a sending off then anything goes. Bentham bottled it big time'"
A total disgrace from Bentham, even though it was on Briers. Putting players on report is a kop out. Bentham should receive a suspension equal to the one Tommy Lee should get. Then again the way the disciplinary panel works Tommy Lee will get NFA.
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Wasn't a good tackle. Eddie on sky raised a good point. (can't believe I have said that!!) TS has been moaning about getting ganson too much but if they had him for this game hudds would be down to 12 men'"
You should be shot a dawn for agreeing with anything Eddie says. lol
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| Bentham is giving a decent lesson in how not to referee a game at the moment.
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| Quote ="Fieldheadrhino"You should be shot a dawn for agreeing with anything Eddie says. lol'"
I know. I have had a word with myself!
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| Quote ="tad rhino"If tommys lee's swinging arm on briers is not classed as a sending off then anything goes. Bentham bottled it big time'"
I was just going to say, I think you can do anything these days and not get sent off
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| Quote ="Maverick Rhino"Bentham is giving a decent lesson in how not to referee a game at the moment.'"
I don't know, his positioning for the Lee tackle on Briers was textbook for a referee. His failure to make the obvious decision thereafter was textbook incompetence.
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| Bentham explained why he put the incident on report. I think it had something to do with home town officials having to avoid any appearance of bias.
Another good game for the viewers. Huddersfield will still be wondering how they didn't win that one especially after another of those uncalled for and possibly illegal interventions from the video referee.
First or second minute of second half Warrington are returning a kick from deep when the tackle count went something like 1, 2, 3, 4 no I mean 5 and turnover after Bridge is tackled.
Video referee Ian Smith and the Sky TV captions got it wrong while Bentham was completely caught off-guard and despite questioning the call followed the little incorrect voice in his ear.
I thought that kind of unsolicited contact was made illegal after the Millenium Magic farce of 2007?
Thankfully Warrington won and we'll now be spared Tony Smith calling for the abolition of video referees two weeks after calling for more video referees.
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