Good post but transistion is where older players are replaced and you rebuild. What's p!ssing people off is past it players are not being replaced. Next year will be worse than this one. Saints have got it right. Put the kids in, write off a year or two and carry on.

Well said Omar. This is a time for the loyal loiners pull together and give the lads some support, not to be talking about not renewing season tickets!



Its July. 2 out of 6 have been given a new contract. 6 (inc biff and cross) are still on course to be replaced.

I completely disagree - look back in fondness is great when you think about your kids. This is pro sport, just because the club was poorly run, underachieved - in part due to Wigan having a full time squad - in the past is no justification for what is happening now.

I bet Alex Ferguson doesn't look back and think we were crap in the 70's and the 80's but we have been pretty successful since let's accept a couple of lean years - his hunger for success will be as strong now as it was when he first started in management.

Top people drive for constant improvement - a lack of which is seen as failure.

As soon as the playing field was levelled out in respect of all teams being full time, it was only a matter of time before Leeds were at the top again, as it will be in the future given their resources. However that is not the case for most teams & fans, knowing they will never be able to compete equally in SL or achive SL.

Over 10 years, and near financial disaster in the middle.

I started to regularly attend league games in Jan '83. At that time Leeds were 4 points clear of Hull at the top of the table. I actually began to believe the following years were all my fault.

THis is new evidence. I now believe they were your fault too.

I started watching in '89/90, when we were already under-achieving. Which I now realise was because you'd already ruined it for everyone.

I don't understand how this was beneficial to Leeds given they were 1 of only 2 teams that was full time pre SL

Oh Dear.

I am the only person who finds the the heading "whinos or loyal loiners" a tad ambiguous?

The poster appears to be trying to make a bizzare statement that those who are dissatisfied with the current on and off field performances at Headingley are "whinos", and in his estimation not "loyal Loiners"

Since when was the length of time following a team any indication of a personal level of support? Does buying a season ticket rather than spending your money at the gate, as and when work rotas allows, make you any less of a fan? If you don't visit the Club shop and buy the latest away strip should you be publicly shunned?


I've been at Headingley since the 70's. Does that make me a "better" fan than someone who has only stood on the terraces in the good years? Does it Fuck. It simply means I'm most likely older than them, and their thoughts on the game/club have no more validity or less than mine.

I'll let you into a secret Omar. In the same way I wouldn't drink a bad pint in any pub, far less my favourite one, I won't be renewing my season ticket next season. Instead, I'll be picking the matches to watch, and yes, bitching on here when things are not going as well as I think they could.

And the reason for that is pure and simple. It's my money, and I'll spend it as I like.

As can you.

Someone with there head out of the sand and a sense of realism.

Great post Omar.

With a few exceptions who are generally just miserable old gits (hiya David and Batley) I suspect the loyal Loiners are those of us who remember the Loiners and the whinging Whinos are those fans who came on board when we were Rhinos.

After I moved away it took the club 10 years to recover, that's how much I messed things up. As for Gary Schofield, well the personal effect I had on him was even worse.

Are you a publican?

Oh the halcyon days when we rubbish - how can we possibly expect to join the elite - winning things was only a temporary blip and now I am back in my comfort zone!!

Gareth - your attitude stinks if I may be so bold - pity so many Leeds fans hold that same view, you can never progress if the idea of sustained success is an anathama.

Although the original post was a good sensible one and there have been some good replies too i think the point is we dont want to fall too far from grace as it is a hell of a way back.

Good post

Thing is we were crap for different reasons then. Back in those days Wigan had all the best players and we only got our hands on them when they were over 30. These days we have a pretty decent team who are generally putting the effort in but are let down by the coaching side of things (selection / rotation / management issues).

If we were putting our best team out ever week who were playing to their potential then I could take being beaten, but it's almost as if we don't want to win anything this year

I like it when the rhinos do well

If they don't........meh

last year we got some hammerings but the team was decimated by injury and the boys tried there hearts out.
this year is different. its a shambles,entertainment value is zero and the managements answer?
try again with the same old next year.
if there are no decent signings and the coach is the same why the hell should i pay £300 to watch

Frank Bough and Max Mosely will be looking to buy season tickets next year.

Genau !

I read this as “we were sh*t for ages but have had a little success of late but looks like we’re back to being sh*t – true fans shouldn’t complain about being sh*t and should just bend over and take it up the ar[size=100s[/sizee because that’s what true fans do, if you p[size=100i[/sizess and moan about constantly losing then you’re a Whino”

Sorry mate but I want success and call me a fekkin’ Whino if you like but I’m not happy with the poor performances that are getting served up right now and feel that my season ticket has bought me the right to voice my opinion.

Well said that man