Can't say I'd noticed he was smiling.

Thought I'd finally get around to selecting an avatar and chose a former Leeds player.

That it happens to be Shaun Wane is merely incidental

I never said he deserved even the first punch never mind the second, try reading posts before quoting and replying to them.

And looking at it from another POV, does Flower's shove in Hohaia's back 'deserve' a forearm in the chin from him (if you want to use that word)?

Considering the force of the punches, a broken nose is quite lucky. He said himself he wanted to go back on the pitch, quite incredible.

I've heard that rumour as well.

Cracking news if there's truth in it and it comes to fruition.

I would have serious misgivings about signing Gareth Hock. If somebody can get him to be the player he could/should be, then great.

If what you get is some strong carries and offloads accompanied by clocking off in defence, foolish penalties and the occasional long spell collecting his wages from the stands while banned for a brain implosion, not so happy days.

It would be a risk, to say the least.

I very much doubt that it's true anyway.

WHEN on form, just the kind of player we need for our pack, BUT not the kind of person we need at our club and I cannot see anyway that GH will sign him

Barrie McDermott was a loose cannon (on and off the field) who Wigan decided was expendable and whom no other club would entertain. Leeds took a chance on him. Now he's one of two hall of famers on this website

I'm of the opinion that GH's utilisation of his moral compass with regard to the employee list at the club has very much taken a back seat in recent times.

I guess the time of need has arrived and the club can no longer afford to be quite so choosy.

Barrie was 22 when he joined Leeds. He had plenty of growing up to do off the field, but he was at the right age to do it. In terms of risk/reward you also had the chance of 10 years of service if he sorted himself out.

Hock could be too old and too far gone to grow up, and on the outside chance he does the rewards are minimal.

Probably, but it's a risk worth taking IMO.

I said it was a risk, not a certain failure.

It's a gamble with a potentially big pay out. It also has a fairly high probability (if we're Bayesian about it) of being a disaster.

It seems to be an internet rumour anyway. Which gives it a similarly high probability of being a load of old bobbins.

The fun on these boards if we sign Hock would be worth it regardless. He's clearly a bit of a loon, but he can be what no other Leeds forward is - genuinely damaging with the ball.

Wigan have built their abrasive style on overreaction to limited provocation. It's kept them on the front foot I many games this season. Karma is a b***h.

Lenegan & Wane both have to support Flower, he was only carrying out Wane's instructions as highlighted in the recent programme shown on Sky where he instructed his players to knock out the opposition.

Charged with Grade "F" offence, minimum 8 matches I believe.
Not sure if EGP applies nor what the effect of that could be,

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No EGP available.

Flower doesn't have EGP available.

Hohaia - who has been charged with Grade B striking with the forearm - does have EGP if he wants to use it.

Interestingly, the Grade F guidelines also include the option of a time-based suspension. That would prevent Wales's European Championship campaign or the WCC game counting against his ban, by imposing a set number of weeks/months.

Hohaia will presumably argue that he's already missed one game through being KO'd in the 2nd minute?
With EGP would that mean he's served his ban?

I'd be disappointed if the RFL took what happened to him in the aftermath into account.

He went after Flower with a forearm to the head after some provocation. It's only the fact he couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding that prevented him from doing some damage of his own.

If he uses the EGP, give him two games so he serves one.

In a normal match with that forearm to the face, and subsequent first punch from Flower. You would have seen no charges after the game, and a sin bin for Flower in the match it's self.

The punch after is the issue, and should have been the only issue that the RFL dealt with, and should have been handled outside the normal guidelines, as the offence is not something we have seen before.

No need to take it outside the usual guidelines.

By grading it at Grade F, the RFL have given themselves carte blanche to impose whatever suspension they think fit.

Anyone remember what John Dalgreen got for kicking a grounded player in the head back in the 80s? Was the Danny Williams king hit one in the NRL 14 games?

Very much at the borders of my memory but wasn't the Dalgreen sine die for shoving a match official? There was a kicking incident in a test match between him and Les Boyd, but that was something separate.

The only sine die I can remember for foul play in the pro game was Gary Charlton, but that was eventually lifted.

IIRC Newton got 10 for his offences on Long & Gilmour. Personally I think about 12-15 games would be about right.

I thought Dalgreen was kicked by Les Boyd?

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Quote ="craigizzard"Very much at the borders of my memory but wasn't the Dalgreen sine die for shoving a match official? There was a kicking incident in a test match between him and Les Boyd, but that was something separate. The only sine die I can remember for foul play in the pro game was Gary Charlton, but that was eventually lifted.'" Details here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... SC-eNcYvGE Dalgreen pushed Gerry Kershaw after being sent off for stamping.