Can't believe you use the attendance argument. Population of Leeds end of 2021, 812,000 average crowd this season 12,940 with a high of 15,418. St. Helens population end of 2021 183,200 average crowd this season 11,701 with a high of 17,908. No doubt you could throw in Wigan and Warrington to the mix with a higher crowd per population. Do the maths.

Lomax also doing what he does laid in his hunches rubbing the back of his neck.

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Oh and lomax goes down ‘injured’ as much as any other player so Saints aren’t squeaky clean in that front.

No dirty players? How many matches did Makinson get for grabbing a player by the nuts?

Moore was good so credit where it’s due.

He got powerbombed. That's going to hurt isn't it, even if it was a legal tackle.

Every time Leeds got anywhere near their 10 on Saturday, Makinson seemed to be on the deck to get the game stopped. Saints physios were on the field nearly as much as the players. I’ll give them their due though, they’re very clever at playing on the edge of cheating, and they’re good at it.

Lomax got smashed a few times, he took the ball in a lot. He's going to get injured, but yes, being clever and knowing when to stay down is a sport-wide problem, not specific to any one player or team. He didn't do that in the Martin incident though, he got hammered there, he's going to need a moment to collect his thoughts after that isn't he.

What Makinson did was a bit of a weird one I agree, but it's not dangerous. I'm sure there was no attempt to detach it.

End of season futile chatter.

You said there isn’t any dirty players in the Saints team not ‘dangerous’

Im talking about Lomax in general not just the GF.

You trying to claim Saints are squeaky clean is just red vee tinted rubbish.

I think we will be more consistent / not as embarrassing early next year as this.

I dont mind if we go out at semis / play offs. Just want the team to play more like the last month or so throughout the season.

24' is where we can and should be looking to add big improvements to the pack and looking at a long term FB and HB options going forward.

Hooker and LF actually look OK with kids coming through( assuming they keep kicking on)

The only genuinely awful tackle we've had this year's was Tetevano on Hurrell. A few more probably deserved suspensions (notably one of Prior's). Some of the others have been nonsensical, especially on Martin, who is about as clean a player as you'll see, who got suspended once for a completely laughable push on a Salford player at walking pace that would never have hurt the opponent in a million years, and once for incidental high contact which should have been a warning but nothing more.

I completely disagree with Welsby's tackle being somehow a good one. He had zero control over the impact and left his opponent with a bloodied face. It could easily have had no head contact or something much worse, and that's the point, Welsby had no control over what happened with the way he ran in.

Shows how ridiculous MRP is. Was a great game with full commitment from both sides but I didnt see anything worthy of a ban from players from either side. Ironie that Knowles cops a ban for nothing after getting away with a dead cert offence.
Don"t think if affected the overall result though. Respect to James Roby the greatest hooker of the superleague era. I am Leeds through and through but one of my favourite ever players!

One of your academy players made tackle like Welsbys on Sunday did anyone moan ? No everyone nearby said what a great tackle it was

You sure about that.

At no point was his neck pushed beyond a normal range of movement or put in a dangerous position.

Not questioning that, if you read the post I was quoting it states At no point were his legs above the horizontal position. I'll leave it for others to decide if that's a dangerous position or not.

I didnt think.it dangerous but his legs were above horizontal. good reffing. penalty but no card

Yeh the wording probably needs changing on that one to be more about how a player lands. That’s the dangerous part.

If the intention is to prevent neck and spinal risk, it should be body above horizontal, legs don’t really affect it.

I’m trying to work out whether this is a joke or not? It’s mad.

Why is it mad? I could fall flat on my and be fine but my feet could be above my head. If you think it's mad, probably best to explain why, or, well, you look mad?

I think in terms of tackling technic there will be many more occasions where the hips are above the head.

If a players legs are on the ground you can't physically spear or tip tackle them.

Lifting the legs is where the issue comes I. As it maybe fine bit it can easily go wrong as other players in the tackle and the tackled player themselves cant then control the tackle with forces moving in many different directions.

I think the refs have a duty here as if motion is stopped, the call for held should be quicker.

There are many times were the motion is stopped and whilst the players continue to wrestle no held is called, resulting in very late offloading or tacklers continuing to wrestle or lift in an attempt to complete the tackle.

For me if forward motion is stopped then that should be held.

Unbelievable. You must be the number one apologist on this forum.

What's unbelievable? Seriously, what did I post there that triggered you?

I found the whole day disappointing. no atmosphere outside, no act on before the start.
I found it all subdued compared to every other time I've been