Fantastic effort tonight - beaten only by a forward pass and a tough call at the end.... Sometimes pride is worth as much as points though, and we got some back tonight

We lost because that French nob and his mate can't see a pass that goes a mile forward

Classic Leeds fighting when the whistle has gone.



If McGuire's boot had touched the ball at the same time that it hit the floor, it would have been a try. However it didn't, so it's classed as a knock on.

I couldn't see where he dropped it forwards if you look at his body position he's leaning forwards yet the ball lands right next to his foot...that's straight or backward in my book.

And that during McGuire's no try, the Wigan defence were well offside from the play the ball.

Dropping it in front of you is always counted as a knock on. The ball hit the deck before his boot so knock on was the correct call. Millimetres away from being a fantastic play though.

Tomkins - starting a fight when he could've taken the 2 pts and killed the game.

So we know that Leeds play well against Wigan, can we try playing well against the other 12 teams now!

Two problems with that:

1. The ball clearly hits the ground first.

2. The 'half volley' only works for drop goal attempts.

Good to hear the comment from sinfield regarding the players being right with McDermott

1 - true
2-horse

See above...from McGuire's Body shape I don't think it was dropped forward...think about Smiths non-offside in the 2009 GF (

) - if you're leaning forwards your feet are actually behind you

Wonder what the post mortem will say? Better performance (which is what the coach wanted), but fell off badly at the start of the second half.

You have to wonder if we will beat a top 4 team (at the time we play them) at all this season. Interesting to hear Sinfield say that everyone is behind McDermott, clearly what has been said on here has got into the changing rooms at HQ.

If Mcguires no try was a drop goal attempt there is not a person in the world who would argue it should have been ruled out. Sinfield was being kind saying it could have gone either way, it was a try, pure and simple, every day of every week of every year. Mcguire kicked it.

The forward pass was forward, Tomkins should have gone for 10 but these things go against you, We had 80 mins to win the game, we didnt get the rub of the green but it is down to Leeds lack of composure at times that we lost, not Alibert.

Saying that, if any player on that field had had as poor a game as any of the officials in that game, they would be pulling on neither a Leeds nor Wigan shirt next week. Alibert simply wasnt good enough, the touch judge missing that forward pass simply wasnt good enough, Gansons decision on Mcguires try simply wasnt good enough. We desperately need to improve the level of officialdom in SL and have done for a couple of years and that comes down to one man and one man only Cummings.

So if a drop goal attempt misses it ends as a knock on then? The fact Mcguire went on to score is irrelevant to the question of whether the kick was legal or not.

Ganson f@cked up, he should be better than to make such a decision, but he did. These things happen and we move on.

1. Probably

2. Lets not make up our our own new rules

Haaaaaaaaaaa i just spat my tea out!!

Since when???

Hard luck Leeds
Thought Ref & video ref were spot on with every decision and the best team won.
There was never a hint of a forward pass with Wigans opening 2nd half try ~ as you lot always say, it was just the camera angle!!!!
Typical Bailey at the end ~ late in & run away when confronted ~ your team is really beginning to look old, could be 5/6 years before you re-establish the Loiners as a competitive side!!! Happy Days!!!!!!!!!

Its sad that trolling has fallen to this level on these boards.

We need to be more consistent between how we ref with and without the Video Ref...in a non-sky game that's a try 100% of the time - it's not like McGuire dropped the ball then reacted by trying to kick it, he went for the kick, Tomkins knocked him slightly and screwed his timing by a tiny tiny margin and now it's a knock on because the cameras were present...hmmm

Interestingly the RFL official glossary defines a knock on as "to knock the ball towards the opponent's dead ball line with hand or arm" (On that basis McGuire didn't knock the ball anywhere)

The definition of a kick is "imparting motion to the ball with any part of the leg (except the heel) from the knee to toe inclusive" (no requirement for it to be volleyed)

What does "we have a tough bunch here and sometimes you have to dust off the steel" mean?

Should be a try for me, if drop kicks are legal (and they are!) then it's play on

The fact Ganson needed to take two minutes to decide should have told what the obvious answer was. I think its clear he got caught up in answering Aliberts question (did it touch the floor before he kicked it) rather than applying the rules. Thats just poor thinking and should have been trained out of him by Cummings very easily and very quickly.

The McGuire one shouldn't even be being discussed - clear knock on. Never a half volley in a million years.

I personally think R.Hicks and Co. will get a seeing to by Cummins over the forward pass, but every game has it's fair share of forward passes and we've often been the beneficiary.