Because we can't change it but wanted to get people's opinions on whether they thought it went over or not.

It probably is that more is expected of him, but then at the same time those who have been lining him up as the scapegoat since the squad was announced was questioning why he was picked because he's not good enough.

So whilst they say he's not good enough they then go and show double standards by judging him differently because they expect more from him as a player.

Personally yesterday he had that once chance from McGillvary's offload which was a tricky one to take in. After that he had no ball. Whitehead missed him out for McGillvary's try. Widdop looped that pass over him out to Bateman at the end with the break on. Lomax missed him out to set McGillvary up in the corner in the first half which McGillvary bombed by not going for the corner flag with the defence stretched.....no one is mentioning that wasted chance though (because McGillvary isn't at one of the big clubs with chip on shoulders fans of smaller clubs waiting to criticise him) which was probably our best worked move in the game and have people more certain on Lomax with a try assist to his name.

I am dubious it went over too, and am not going to deride those who think this thread is pointless. It was worth a point at the time!

I agree with you Printer, but I suspect people get in the cycle of 'complain when he is in and then blame him after' because of the sense of hope or 'what could happen' when it does click. In fallout you then get people saying either of those two things- he has done nothing to deserve being there, or, 'he could have done this or that' instead.

Both are out of frustration, just from different angles.

I don't think the thread is pointless but isn't the reaction and positioning of the players on the pitch not a crucial piece of evidence.

So was the drop goal.

Clearly it went over or all the England players close to it would have complained to get it checked

I think Watkins is a cracking player. I think the only other potential option that could have been in the squad this year is Atkins. I'd like to see Percival given a go over Sarginson, who IMO was worse than Kallum.

I think the problem with all of our centres is none of them are physically imposing, none of them would scare the Aus back line. Watkins has the potential to but lacks that competitive, nasty edge.

I miss Keith Senior...

Senior and Hall for Leeds and England in this era would be a thing of beauty

That's what I was meaning!

Swap Gale for Sinfield and we wouldn't have needed a 1 pointer., we'd have been well ahead.

Looked dodgy to me at the time and even more so looking at the footage.

It's in the record books now though so time to move on.

Watkins blew a chance to score in the first half when he dropped a scoring pass from McGilveray. Apart from that he was alright without doing anything amazing. It was a close game so there were few chances. The Kiwis line speed was good too so he got little room to move. Sarginson hardly covered himself in glory either when he failed to execute a catch and pass to put Hall in with a clear overlap.

It looked good to me at the time from slightly to the right of the goal posts, the bigger issue was that we had multiple opportunities to kick a drop goal to even it up and we never even attempted it.

We did. Widdop fluffed a rushed attempt in the last 5 minutes.

You're right, I forgot all about that.

Not impressed with our tactics, like most spectators I had assumed the new coaching regime would freshen things up.
Sadly that did not happen, what was the point if those high bombs, they did not test any kiwi defender.
Lomas and sargenson not international players by any stretch of the imagination. As usual the commentary team trying to gloss over our failings.
The most dumbass comment of the day was somebody saying we must now face the challenge of Scotland. Ah Scotland that powerhouse of rugby league.

Quote ="Backwoodsman" Lomas and sargenson not international players by any stretch of the imagination. '" Think Lomas might be past it now as his last test was 104 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lomas_(rugby_league)

Quote ="Backwoodsman" Lomas and sargenson not international players by any stretch of the imagination. '" Think Lomas might be past it now as his last test was 104 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lomas_(rugby_league)

Quote ="Bullseye"Think Lomas might be past it now as his last test was 104 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lomas_(rugby_league)'" Interesting link, I like the first £100 transfer mention.

Quote ="Bullseye"Think Lomas might be past it now as his last test was 104 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lomas_(rugby_league)'" Interesting link, I like the first £100 transfer mention.

Is that what we're going to end up getting for Hardaker now?

we may be lucky to get that.

In all honesty if he doesn't want to play for Leeds and the club don't want him maybe it is best if they just release him. We don't need anymore negativity going into 2017.

Hardaker tweeted that he's enjoying the final week off before pre-season training starts next week with a trip to Tenerife with Ferres. So should know where that pre-season training is taking place next week.

Hardaker picking up tips from the master.