Here are the [url=http://livescores.smh.com.au/matches/nrl/match2709.html?page=player-stats&refresh=1284049898091urlstats[/url for the Australia game at the DW stadium where McGuire made 3 errors and missed 5 tackles. That was more errors than any other England player in that match and more missed tackles than any England player other than Lee Smith who missed 7.

I do remember a quote from, i think it was, Wayne Bennett that went something like 'Show me a 0 in the errors column and i'll show you a player who isn't willing to try something special to win us a game' and Danny McGuire has definitely won you guys plenty of games this year but making the most errors in the league is definitely something to worry about.

I think he was unlucky to miss out on the dream team this year however if everyone was fit i don't think he should be in the England team. Fortunately for him Pryce is out and Eastmond seems to be struggling with injury so he might get his chance and i personally will support him. Having said that I'm not exactly dreading his visit to the DW this Sunday.

People slated Jammer after that game, but he made 9.4m per carry against the Kangaroos!

fgb should be slated after the cas game, chase ran past him twice like he wasnt there and does fgb's half tackle which lead to another cas try count as a miss tackle? he was one of the main reasons cas waltzed through ya, nearly cost you 2nd. he is well out of sorts.

the aussies and kiwis will expose him and murder him in defense

I love it when people have a go at McGuire after his so called poor performance at the JJB! He wasn't great and did have a poor game with the ball in hand, but this whole almost now apocryphal tale that it was his fault, because they scored the majority of the points down his wing and he missed a boat load of tackles is just laughable. It smacks of both a desperation to blame someone (which it is) but shows a real lack of understanding of the modern game.

Stop and ask yourself why was McGuire, a player who's weakest part of his game is his defence, was actual left in a position where, time and time again, he was left one on one to tackle one of the worlds best centres? I tell you why, the forwards dominated the England forwards in the middle of the park, they are able to draw in three and four tacklers every tackle and then regain their feet and play the ball quickly and they do this in quick succession over three of four tackles. This means the England defence is always on the back-foot and the scrambling sliding defensive line gets ever more disorganised and indeed out of position. They are then able to move the ball swiftly across the attacking line and pass the ball while moving forward at pace, McGuire now find himself on his own and with no sliding or scrambling cover coming across from the players defending in the tighter central defensive line!

McGuire is held up as a scapegoat because he was unable to contain Ingliss, but why was McGuire left to contain Ingliss on his own... because many of the guys around him who should be coming across and supporting him where not up to the first part of their role, never mind the second.

Only if you erroneously assume the opposition players of Australia and NZ are not of a superior quality.

Here's a clue... THEY ARE.



Benji Marshall is a superior quality player playing in a superior and more intense quality competition, therefore you're not comparing like for like. McGuire's natural error rate would multiply exponentially were he to be exposed to that level of quality competition.

Thanks for saving me the job.

And here are McGuire's [url=http://livescores.smh.com.au/matches/nrl/match1522.html?page=player-stats&refresh=1284071252330STATS[/url for the semi final of the RLWC against New Zealand at Suncorp Stadium where McGuire made 4 errors and missed 3 tackles, and where his mistakes were instrumental in England conceding 4 tries. That was more errors than any other England player in that match apart from Ade Gardner who made 5.

McGuire was the scapegoat for that awful performance, but as said it wasn't all down to him. He and Smith were all over the place, made worse by the fact that they had no inside support whatsoever.

Having said that, McGuire is a bit error-prone. What concerns me most is some of his panic passing under pressure, which he has done a lot of against Australia. Can't blame him for trying but for whatever reason for GB/England he seems to be one of the worst at being completely intimidated before the game. If he could calm down he could be very good.

not really, surely Mcguire's play is as relative to the players he is playing with as much as those he is playing against.
again, wont Benji Marshall be attempting to collect a higher quality offload, have higher quality dummy runners, higher quality defenders either side of him, higher quality players passing to him aswell as running for him mitigating the improvement in the quality of both defence and attack he is facing

What change did the coach make in that game at the DW at half time to solidify the right side defence?

I'll give you a clue, he didn't take off McGuire.

He dropped him for the rest of the series though

and the next time we played Australia we scored less and conceded more.
The game Mcguire played against Aus we lost 16-26. we lost the final 46-16

Yup, as Smokey pointed out a ten point defeat was converted to a 30 point defeat.

So maybe McGuire wasn't the problem after all eh?

We were in the second game though, because we were'nt 26-0 down at half time due to a plethora of missed tackles and errors.

At least in the final they hammered a side where we'd lost a player to injury and scored a few through kicks rather than just walking through us.

Funny idea of "scoring less" you have too

danny mcguires been the most creative england/gb player in the past 5 years.

When he plays, most of our tries revolve around him.

Contrary to popular belief england aren't crap because of danny mcguire.

We just never control enough field position due to the forwards and the kicking game.

All of that was mcguire fault.

If mcguire had never played for gb/england we'd have won a series by now.

I daresay mcguire is the reason we haven't yet found a cure for cancer.

i have to agree

Nice slant. Not nice enough to alter the fact that McGuire in England team = 10 point defeat to Aus. McGuire not in England team = 30 point defeat to Aus.

In reality, and it pains me to say this, McGuire is the next Long, an English half back in an era when we can't touch Australia. Everyone has a semi about Eastmond/Tomkins/Myler because they have only the one failure (last year) at international level so optimism remiains. Sadly they will share exactly the same fate as McGuire and Long eventually. Therefore, in my eyes, how they go for England or GB isn't the best barometer to Judge English player's abilities.

And the previous time we played Australia we scored NIL and conceded even more. Enter the gyrating turnstile McGuire at 16-4 whose only notable effort at actually completing a tackle was an attempt to spear tackle Inglis, leading to a penalty and a try conceded immediately after.

36-0 to Australia whilst McGuire was on the pitch.

We lost 52-4.

just heard danny mcguire out of action against wigan with injured knee dont know how serios it is but hope he can recover for next game

Anyone who has just watched today's play off games from the NRL can see why England have little prospect of beating Australia - Tomkins/Eastmond half back combination would get hammered as would a McGuire/Eastmond pair or a McGuire/Tomkins pair - the standard of the game in the NRL is light years ahead of ours.

To say we were in the final is the same as saying we conceded less points in the second half of the first game - is simply rubbish, we played as well as the Aussies let us play the last 20 minutes in the final and the first 20 minutes in the JJB game were replicas of each other i.e. the Aussies upped the ante and we fell apart - differing personnel same result

Man Of Steel.

Give the MoS to the guy at the top of the errors count in the whole league?

Give the Man of Steel award to the guy that is absolutely ripping it up this year. Look at his contribution in that 1st half - Amazing right? Well he has been doing that all year for us.

Yes, that's why it should be out of Richards, O'Loughlin and Roby.

Cant you fook off and do something else. The season has nothing to do with you now.

TIA