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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Well as are company is being taken over ATM and relocating some people are taking redundancy even though its only an extra 2-3 miles to travel. Why? Because they see the easy opportunity of getting around £10,000 without having to work for it. So like I said, a lot of those 2.2 million won't really be devastated at not having to work even if they like to claim they do. How many of those are honest individuals and how many have 'Jeremy Kyle' potential?'"
What does their potential or attitude matter? If there are 2.7 million people without jobs and only 470,000 of them could possibly get a job what does it matter what the other 2.2 million are like? They couldn't get a job anyway because there arent enough. I sympathise with your argument in that, yes there are some who don't want a job, but comments like "people just don't want to work" are just lazy stereotypes simply based simply upon your/Harrigans anecdotal evidence.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter" I started at work on about 5 and half pound an hour, not exactly great. '"
I started work at £940.
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| And surely banding about numbers like the 2.2 million left unemployed is equally lazy just to create newspaper/tv news headlines that will grab peoples attention. From 2000 -2006 well before recession become a buzz word the unemployment averaged around 1.5 million, so really the headlines could read '700,000 extra left unemployed during the UK's financial crisis'. But then 2.2 million grabs peoples attention much more than 700,000 now doesn't it.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"And surely banding about numbers like the 2.2 million left unemployed is equally lazy just to create newspaper/tv news headlines that will grab peoples attention. From 2000 -2006 well before recession become a buzz word the unemployment averaged around 1.5 million, so really the headlines could read '700,000 extra left unemployed during the UK's financial crisis'. But then 2.2 million grabs peoples attention much more than 700,000 now doesn't it.'"
How is that relevant other than in proving its harder than it used to be to find a job?
How is quoting the official unemployment and vacancy figures when describing the amount of unemployed people compared to vacancies, lazy?
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| Because figures don't show how many want work and how many are happy to accept dole.
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| Quote ="Him"2.67 million unemployed. 473,000 vacancies. Where do the 2.2 million who are left go to find a job?'"
All I am saying is that I have never had any problems, and i'm not qualified for much. If you want to work, you will find it.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Because figures don't show how many want work and how many are happy to accept dole.'"
So are you saying that at least 2.2 million out of those 2.67 million who are unemployed don't want to work? Because if it's less than that, then it wouldn't matter how much they wanted to work, would it?
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| Quote ="Harrigan"All I am saying is that I have never had any problems, and i'm not qualified for much. If you want to work, you will find it.'"
But you have A-Levels, that's more than a lot of people have. You presumably, have a decent work history with no significant gaps. You, I assume, are fairly young. You might have better self-esteem/confidence than other people. You might have a better support network around you. You might know how to tailor your CV/applications/interviews compared to other people. There are plenty of reasons why employers don't employ people and it's not always down to lack of effort.
Plus, as I said to The Printer, even if all available vacancies were filled it would leave 2.2 million without a job, regardless of their skills, abilities or willingness to work.
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| I'm confused...
There are 2.7 million people unemployed - right?
...and 473,000 vacant jobs?
Why..????
I could understand if there were 2.2 million unemployed and no vacancies but why aren't the 473,000 being filled by the current unemployed populous?
I can only think of two reasons
1) The employers that hold these 473,000 vacant positions feel that none of the 2.7 million currently unemployed have the skills, attitude and ability to fill these potions.
2) The 2.7 million unemployed can't be ar[size=100s[/sizeed apply for said vacancies.
Could someone explain for a simpleton like me?
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"I'm confused...
There are 2.7 million people unemployed - right?
...and 473,000 vacant jobs?
Why..????
I could understand if there were 2.2 million unemployed and no vacancies but why aren't the 473,000 being filled by the current unemployed populous?
I can only think of two reasons
1) The employers that hold these 473,000 vacant positions feel that none of the 2.7 million currently unemployed have the skills, attitude and ability to fill these potions.
2) The 2.7 million unemployed can't be ar[size=100s[/sizeed apply for said vacancies.
Could someone explain for a simpleton like me?'"
I would imagine its because there is a gap in between a job becoming vacant/being advertised as vacant and that job being filled. It generally takes a few weeks from advertising the job, getting all the applications/CV's in, holding interviews, then making a decision. So the vacancies stat will be a snapshot or an average of how many vacancies were out there. In this case for the 3 months up to February 2012.
Im not an expert in these stats but I would imagine that the majority of these 400k vacancies would be filled but then different job vacancies fill the gap for the next set of 3 month stats.
On the ONS website there is a graph which shows the number of vacancies has stayed pretty similar over the last 2 years. Fluctuating between around 450k & 500k.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I started work at £940.
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How many hot cornish pasties could you afford ?
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| Quote ="Wheels"Good thread this.'"
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Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy s.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this - watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... s-end.html
Another point I want to make is that some employers are just as fussy as the unemployed. It’s another thing that never gets taken into consideration by the ‘there’s jobs for everyone’ brigade. Why aren’t the fussy employers criticised as much as the fussy unemployed? It’s one rule for one set of people and another rule for the others. I thought we was all equal on this planet?
The final point I want to make is that the system for the unemployed in this country is deeply flawed. It benefits no one other than those who are employed by an industry that’s supposed to help the unemployed back into work. Having any kind of unemployment benefit is more out of circumstance rather than choice.
Now I welcome anyone to try and debunk all that I’ve written here.
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Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy s.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this - watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... s-end.html
Another point I want to make is that some employers are just as fussy as the unemployed. It’s another thing that never gets taken into consideration by the ‘there’s jobs for everyone’ brigade. Why aren’t the fussy employers criticised as much as the fussy unemployed? It’s one rule for one set of people and another rule for the others. I thought we was all equal on this planet?
The final point I want to make is that the system for the unemployed in this country is deeply flawed. It benefits no one other than those who are employed by an industry that’s supposed to help the unemployed back into work. Having any kind of unemployment benefit is more out of circumstance rather than choice.
Now I welcome anyone to try and debunk all that I’ve written here.
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| if you think everyone is equal you are more naive than i thought.
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| Unfortunately this thread has moved away from the original issue of cake and Brazil. Having read some of the earlier comments in this thread I’ve had an inspiring idea.
Why don’t we turn this donate and get cake into some sort of enterprise?
Write down what you want and I’ll print it out and put it in a hat. Whatever gets picked out of the hat is the cause we’ll all support that week/month/however long it takes. It’ll be like the lottery but you’ll eventually get your prize because you it'll eventually get picked out of the hat.
I think we should start with small causes first just to see if this would work out. So if someone wants a new pair of trainers then we’ll put that in the hat. If someone wants £80 to spend in Waterstones then we’ll put that in the hat too. Eventually we’ll move onto bigger things once the concept has proven to work. We could have a mixture of needs/wants in the hat. So one week we could pick out a piece of paper that asks to raise money for charity.
This concept is proving to work with Ben’s ambition to work in Brazil. However he is an exceptional example of this working because so many seem to be disagreeing that people should be donating to help him get some work experience abroad. But I think this concept has been misunderstood and all I can do now is try and turn it into something that helps more people and more causes.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"if you think everyone is equal you are more naive than i thought.'"
Care to confront the other points I’ve made in that post or you just nit picking as usual to suit your narrow minded point of view?
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| you haven't a clue about the real world damo, not a clue. waste of time, not interested in you or your scrounging mates who have to turn to crime.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"you haven't a clue about the real world damo, not a clue. waste of time, not interested in you or your scrounging mates who have to turn to crime.'"
The same could be said about you with regards to having a clue about the ‘real world’. In this thread we have just discussed ‘the world’ in the local area and to a small extent this country. What you’re living in is a bubble where you assume there’s no alternative.
Oh and you’re accusing me of turning to crime now unless I’ve read that wrong?
My two best mates: One's a qualified doctor working for the NHS and the other ones an assistant teacher. I think you've got me very wrong.
I’m not really interested in you either. Just embarrassed that I have to share my existance with such an uninformed plonker.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"The same could be said about you with regards to having a clue about the ‘real world’. In this thread we have just discussed ‘the world’ in the local area and to a small extent this country. What you’re living in is a bubble where you assume there’s no alternative.'"
Is this guy making cakes and selling them to fund his trip? Personally don't see a issue with it. When I was younger I represent my country at my chosen sport. I had to go cap in hand to several businesses to get the money together to go and there were several events organised for me to help me go.
I cannot agree with you though on a couple of things damo though. People are not forced to turn to crime there are very few people who are forced to turn to crime.
Also on employers don't think you can fault them for being picky and wanting the best possible candidates for the role possible
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| [uyou[/u said people had to turn to crime which is totally unacceptable, except in your world.
i have been made unemployed quite a few times and each time i worked my tits off to get another job. i was self employed for years so don't you dare try and lecture me on living in a bubble. i've had a young family and no work but i never thought about turning to crime.
there is no excuse for being long term unemployed. none whatsoever.
and i couldn't give a flying what your friends do. try following there example and get off your fat and get a job and stop lecturing those who do bother to go out and work
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Is this guy making cakes and selling them to fund his trip? Personally don't see a issue with it. When I was younger I represent my country at my chosen sport. I had to go cap in hand to several businesses to get the money together to go and there were several events organised for me to help me go. '"
He’s made cakes, thrown parties and walked the three peaks amongst other things to raise money so he can get work experience abroad. I’m sure if this guy was a promising rugby league player who needed xxx amount to get to Australia so he could have the training of a lifetime to become professional then this thread would had took a very different direction. Unfortunately people have focused too much on Brazil rather than looked at the bigger picture.
Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that I’m probably not the best PR person in the world but I‘m trying my best.
A few of my relatives have also needed funding to represent their chosen sport abroad. I didn’t hear uproar from anyone back then and I hope people don’t have a go at you for needing funding at one point in your life.
Quote I cannot agree with you though on a couple of things damo though. People are not forced to turn to crime there are very few people who are forced to turn to crime.'"
I agree that more often than not people don’t need to turn to crime. But for the people that do need to then its unfortunate. I’m not condoning crime but I acknowledge that some people have no choice but to go down that path because of circumstance.
Quote Also on employers don't think you can fault them for being picky and wanting the best possible candidates for the role possible'"
I 100% agree with you. But the point I was making is that employers can be as fussy as the unemployed. Whilst one group of people are deemed worthy enough to be fussy another group isn’t. It’s double standards and totally hypocritical.
The unemployed get a lot of uncalled for criticism in this country. It’s normally from those who get paid to write articles in the media or people who have made bad financial choices in their lives and lay some of the blame on the amount of tax they have to pay to keep afloat people in worse circumstances than themselves: the unemployed. If unemployment was such a glamorous lifestyle then millions would have quit their jobs to be on benefits.
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| I am taking my under 10s to france thurs and some of us did 3 peaks to fund the childrens places. All adults have paid for there own trip out of wages for striking a bat something damo and his sponge mate dont seem to good at.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"He’s made cakes, thrown parties and walked the three peaks amongst other things to raise money so he can get work experience abroad. I’m sure if this guy was a promising rugby league player who needed xxx amount to get to Australia so he could have the training of a lifetime to become professional then this thread would had took a very different direction. Unfortunately people have focused too much on Brazil rather than looked at the bigger picture.
Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that I’m probably not the best PR person in the world but I‘m trying my best.
A few of my relatives have also needed funding to represent their chosen sport abroad. I didn’t hear uproar from anyone back then and I hope people don’t have a go at you for needing funding at one point in your life.
I agree that more often than not people don’t need to turn to crime. But for the people that do need to then its unfortunate. I’m not condoning crime but I acknowledge that some people have no choice but to go down that path because of circumstance.
I 100% agree with you. But the point I was making is that employers can be as fussy as the unemployed. Whilst one group of people are deemed worthy enough to be fussy another group isn’t. It’s double standards and totally hypocritical.
The unemployed get a lot of uncalled for criticism in this country. It’s normally from those who get paid to write articles in the media or people who have made bad financial choices in their lives and lay some of the blame on the amount of tax they have to pay to keep afloat people in worse circumstances than themselves: the unemployed. If unemployment was such a glamorous lifestyle then millions would have quit their jobs to be on benefits.'"
The problem for the unemployed are the few complete scrounges who get everyone unemployed fared with the same brush. The vast majority of people don't want to be on benifits but the few who do get the press and the assumption all are the same. It's not glamorous but it fits the needs of some and as I say all unemployed get tared with the same brush.
With regard to employees being too fussy it depends on your situation.
When I was younger living at home with no mortgage etc I took what ever work I could don't think you should be too fussy when you are in that situation as the more work experience you get the better.
My neighbour has just been unemployed and some of the offers he has had are a joke. He can't afford to take them as he has family to feed house to pay for etc. he has to be a bit picky.
Also my point regarding crime is there are very few who don't have a choice but to turn to crime
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| Quote ="tad rhino"[uyou[/u said people had to turn to crime which is totally unacceptable, except in your world.'"
I did say that some people had to turn to crime but I never said it was acceptable. I was just acknowledging what life can be like for some people in this country.
Quote i have been made unemployed quite a few times and each time i worked my tits off to get another job.'"
I’ve worked my tits off to try getting employment to no avail. Whenever that’s trying to get an entry level job or something in the creative industries. At times I have been lazy but it’s been for the good of my own health because rejection after rejection is not easy to take after a while.
Quote i was self employed for years so don't you dare try and lecture me on living in a bubble. i've had a young family and no work but i never thought about turning to crime.'"
Good for you. Want a medal?
Quote there is no excuse for being long term unemployed. none whatsoever. '"
Maybe you could try explaining that to people on their pension. They’re technically unemployed but I bet they could do some work for sure.
Quote and i couldn't give a flying love what your friends do. try following there example and get off your fat booty and get a job and stop lecturing those who do bother to go out and work'"
Nor could I give damn about your desire to shut me up.
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