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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Would he not be incredibly stupid to want to leave?
With the strong possibility of Buderus leaving after this season, if not certainly next season, he would be stupid to leave. His future is paved out for him in one of the biggest clubs in the country.'"
But if he isn't getting a game now, if another hooker does come in, why would it change. I agree he might be being a bit spiteful, but I think he's probably thinking now or never. I think as a club, if Buderus is leaving, we should try putting a bit of trust in him and giving him the 9 shirt. I know there's a few on here that think he's not that good, but some on here would have you believe that Buderus is the messiah and that he could never be replaced - it's swings and roundabouts.
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| Quote ="west_leeds_rhino"But if he isn't getting a game now, if another hooker does come in, why would it change. I agree he might be being a bit spiteful, but I think he's probably thinking now or never. I think as a club, if Buderus is leaving, we should try putting a bit of trust in him and giving him the 9 shirt. I know there's a few on here that think he's not that good, but some on here would have you believe that Buderus is the messiah and that he could never be replaced - it's swings and roundabouts.
Give Mcshane the 9 shirt and let him play the season there and it would finish his development off nicely I recon.'"
If a replacement hooker is brought in then ok, that is a completely different ball game. But that is only speculation. But even then fight for your spot and don't quit. He is getting more games this season is he not? Then he should make it his aim to go even better next season. Things are not going well at the moment and McDermott won't be around forever either. |
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I think players - especially junior ones - should respect their boss. Players who have tried to play the "if I don't get treated right I'm leaving" card with GH have usually found themselves leaving. Sounds like McShane could be on his way fairly soon. Wakefield, Salford, Quins?
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Would he not be incredibly stupid to want to leave?
With the strong possibility of Buderus leaving after this season, if not certainly next season, he would be stupid to leave. His future is paved out for him in one of the biggest clubs in the country.'"
His future would only be paved out for him if the coach thought he was a suitable replacement - that doesn't seem to be the case. |
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| Quote ="DHM"I think players - especially junior ones - should respect their boss. Players who have tried to play the "if I don't get treated right I'm leaving" card with GH have usually found themselves leaving. Sounds like McShane could be on his way fairly soon. Wakefield, Salford, Quins?'"
Is it a matter of being treated right, or asking for 1-17 on their back? As a club we can't keep everyone because they will undoubtedly want to play first team rugby on a weekly basis. |
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| Quote ="tad rhino"mcshane is telling everyone who will listen that mcdonut is a crap coach'"
Maybe Bailey is too??
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all i know is that they been told if/when Buderus leaves we will be recruiting another hooker. Mcshane would undoubtedly get better if he was given game time and Hood should be loaned out like we have with atleast 5 other under 20s at the moment to see if he is the talent we hope he is
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| Quote ="DHM"I think players - especially junior ones - should respect their boss. Players who have tried to play the "if I don't get treated right I'm leaving" card with GH have usually found themselves leaving. Sounds like McShane could be on his way fairly soon. Wakefield, Salford, Quins?'"
If McShane thinks that's an appropriate attitude, he won't be missed.
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fair point but schoey has loads of caps, was a great player but he was a ty coach too.
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Its gota be frustrating for the lad hes been on the books along time now but just seems to be looked over at times when hes been playing quite well and improving imo
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he was dropped when he was playing really well which looks to have damaged his confidence. another great decision from mcdonut
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"We must agree to differ - 2004 he was correctly MOM he was superb - the other GF wins his impact was no where near as influential and he along with some others benefitted from playing in a good side.
On McShane time will tell, I don't see the rate of improvement I would expect, the fact Buderus is out performing him every game and the gap between their relative performances is widening illustrates this lack of improvement. Whilst I have no truck with McDermott the fact that McShane appears to be falling down the pecking order suggest all is not well. To play hooker you need stamina - I am not sure McShane naturally has this, you also need pace not quick accelaration, McShane doesn't have that either. Talented player ball in hand not sure he has the all round game and physical aptitude to play this role at the top level.'"
Got to disagree with you there Sal. The 2009 GF was on Sky Anytime the other week so I had a watch and Diskin was superb in that game. His try single handedly dragged us back into a game that was slipping away from us.
I have to agree with you on McShane however, don't think he is the answer as a starting hooker in SL. He has had some good games this year from the bench, but generally against the weaker teams. Defensively he doesn't seem strong enough to be starting games. hope to be proved wrong though because his passing / kicking game is very good. |
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so why arnt the dynamic duo addressing this Mcnumnuts is suppose to be a defensivemaster after all isnt he?
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| Quote ="tad rhino"mcshane is telling everyone who will listen that mcdonut is a crap coach'"
Really?, Where did you hear this mate?, Not doubting you but it just doesn't seem like his character. |
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| Quote ="Dirty Pretty Thing"Got to disagree with you there Sal. The 2009 GF was on Sky Anytime the other week so I had a watch and Diskin was superb in that game. His try single handedly dragged us back into a game that was slipping away from us.
I have to agree with you on McShane however, don't think he is the answer as a starting hooker in SL. He has had some good games this year from the bench, but generally against the weaker teams. Defensively he doesn't seem strong enough to be starting games. hope to be proved wrong though because his passing / kicking game is very good.'"
Interesting comment, His defence is much improved from last season which was questionable at times but this season 281 Tackles made & 13 Tackles missed, Danny Buderus 553 Tackles made & 31 Tackles missed. |
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| Quote ="George Agdgdgwngo®"Interesting comment, His defence is much improved from last season which was questionable at times but this season 281 Tackles made & 13 Tackles missed, Danny Buderus 553 Tackles made & 31 Tackles missed.'"
I would take the Opta missed tackles stats with a pinch of salt, am sure I read someone somewhere questioning their accuracy. I appreciate his defence has improved this year, however I still fell it is some way short of a top SL hooker, particularly when he starts games. |
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Many of the Quins fans had the view that if a player crossed Mac they were sidelined and ultimately dispatched. So it wouldn't surprise me if McShane has said something deemed to be out of turn and consequently dropped. In a way it seems to be what happened to Cross and Burgess.
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| Quote ="CAGED RHINO"hope not dnt fink jp and sinny would do very well on there own'"
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In a dispute between a junior player & his coach there will only be one winner.
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Didn't read the rest of the thread but if the title is true it's not good news for Leeds.
Anyone thinking McShane and Hood are the ticket to a top 4 finish are at best premature, and at worst deluded.
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Agree I don't think it is good news for Leeds if buderus goes to the knights next year. But if he does leave I hope we keep and play mcshane and hood. Might not bring instant success but certainly 2 with lots of potential
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Agree I don't think it is good news for Leeds if buderus goes to the knights next year. But if he does leave I hope we keep and play mcshane and hood. Might not bring instant success but certainly 2 with lots of potential'"
.....but if rumours are true then McShane might be on his way (can't blame him) or he's not really good enough defensively at least (he looked to be going ok to me though, until the coach inexplicably dropped him in favour of Burrow as interchange hooker) ??
Hood is probably still too young to be first choice hooker in 2012.....so despite not so long ago thinking hooker was the least of our problems, it could now ironically be the worst. 
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It seems a player exchange may be moving forward!
I would take Junior Sau from the Knights but would they release him? Newcastle are also looking at players with other clubs. Anyideas?
Knights search for Buderus replacement
By Mute– July 23, 2011
Posted in: Antonio Kaufusi, Constantine Mika, Danny Buderus, Newcastle Knights, News
Knights need replacement
Newcastle Knights officials have been working behind the scenes to broker a player trade with Leeds Rhinos that would allow them to re-sign former skipper Danny Buderus without paying a transfer fee.
Buderus, the veteran hooker who played in 220 first-grade games for Newcastle, wants to return for an NRL swansong under incoming coach Wayne Bennett but is contracted to Leeds for one more year.
There has been speculation Leeds were demanding a transfer fee of up to $150,000 to release the 33-year-old, but Knights chief executive Matt Gidley said yesterday that the Rhinos’ priority was to secure a replacement player of similar stature to Buderus.
Gidley said that player might not come from within the Knights and did not necessarily have to be a hooker.
‘‘Their preference is to get a player to take Danny’s spot, so at the moment we’re exhausting all avenues,’’ Gidley said.
Buderus has a promising understudy at Leeds, 21-year-old Paul McShane, who has played in 29 Super League games and is contracted to the Rhinos until 2013.
McShane is regarded as Buderus’s heir apparent at Leeds and Gidley said the Rhinos had indicated it was not essential to replace the former NSW and Kangaroos skipper with another dummy-half.
‘‘I spoke to Bedsy last night, and he said a hooker would be great, but they’re just after an experienced player who has got some genuine NRL experience,’’ Gidley said.
Newcastle have asked two contracted players, Antonio Kaufusi and Constantine Mika, to find new clubs next season, but Gidley said it was unlikely any Knights would move to Headingley.
Buderus has made it obvious he wants to return to Newcastle but does not want to leave Leeds on bad terms.
He has enjoyed three happy years with the club and would prefer to leave on a good note.
Transfer fees are virtually non-existent between NRL clubs but are standard practice in England.
Canterbury paid an estimated $100,000 a year ago so Leeds would release Kiwi forward Greg Eastwood.
But it is obvious the Knights would prefer not to do likewise if they can avoid it.
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It seems a player exchange may be moving forward!
I would take Junior Sau from the Knights but would they release him? Newcastle are also looking at players with other clubs. Anyideas?
Knights search for Buderus replacement
By Mute– July 23, 2011
Posted in: Antonio Kaufusi, Constantine Mika, Danny Buderus, Newcastle Knights, News
Knights need replacement
Newcastle Knights officials have been working behind the scenes to broker a player trade with Leeds Rhinos that would allow them to re-sign former skipper Danny Buderus without paying a transfer fee.
Buderus, the veteran hooker who played in 220 first-grade games for Newcastle, wants to return for an NRL swansong under incoming coach Wayne Bennett but is contracted to Leeds for one more year.
There has been speculation Leeds were demanding a transfer fee of up to $150,000 to release the 33-year-old, but Knights chief executive Matt Gidley said yesterday that the Rhinos’ priority was to secure a replacement player of similar stature to Buderus.
Gidley said that player might not come from within the Knights and did not necessarily have to be a hooker.
‘‘Their preference is to get a player to take Danny’s spot, so at the moment we’re exhausting all avenues,’’ Gidley said.
Buderus has a promising understudy at Leeds, 21-year-old Paul McShane, who has played in 29 Super League games and is contracted to the Rhinos until 2013.
McShane is regarded as Buderus’s heir apparent at Leeds and Gidley said the Rhinos had indicated it was not essential to replace the former NSW and Kangaroos skipper with another dummy-half.
‘‘I spoke to Bedsy last night, and he said a hooker would be great, but they’re just after an experienced player who has got some genuine NRL experience,’’ Gidley said.
Newcastle have asked two contracted players, Antonio Kaufusi and Constantine Mika, to find new clubs next season, but Gidley said it was unlikely any Knights would move to Headingley.
Buderus has made it obvious he wants to return to Newcastle but does not want to leave Leeds on bad terms.
He has enjoyed three happy years with the club and would prefer to leave on a good note.
Transfer fees are virtually non-existent between NRL clubs but are standard practice in England.
Canterbury paid an estimated $100,000 a year ago so Leeds would release Kiwi forward Greg Eastwood.
But it is obvious the Knights would prefer not to do likewise if they can avoid it.
Read more at the Newcastle Herald
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