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| Quote ="Gahan"Lunt
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God knows what Lunts done, be a huge hole to fill and Moore certainly cant fill it.'"
Most of you guys clearly rate Lunt very highly which makes the gamble on Moore even more surprising.
I think this also significantly strengthens our squad compared to having kept Pitts (I note that McDermott mentions that Lunt adds strength in a number of positions)
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| Wonder who will be going out on loan for us now?
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| Congrats on a great signing.
Giants must be nuts. Lunt is a great team man with a good attitude and great to watch.
Moore's traits have been well documented elsewhere.
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| Whilst i welcome the lad i wouldn't be so quick to write off Mcshane who imo hasn't had a very fair crack thus far.
I think Hood will go on loan and possibly Mcshane will follow once RB is fuly fit but like i said i wouldn't want to write any of them off.
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| There's clearly not much between Hood and McShane in the eyes of the coaching staff given the way they were rotated at the start of the season. Given how much more time McShane has had around the first team squad over the last few years than Hood, that would suggest they aren't convinced by him as a first choice hooker for a SL side.
When Leeds had success with Burrow off the bench at the end of last year, it often involved him coming on for one of the back rowers with Buderus shifting back into a loose forward type role. Lunt is the ideal player for that kind of role, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting at hooker with Burrow coming off the bench 20-25 minutes into a game and Lunt moving back to loose.
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| Rare for Leeds to get a loan player but I like this signing. It gives us plenty of options and allows Mac even more scope to totally bamboozle us with his team selections.
Lunt is a more than decent player with a good attitude...nicely understated here:
"My preferred position is hooker but I am happy playing in the back row as well, whatever the coaching staff want of me. I have trained with the Rhinos yesterday and the players really made me feel welcome. I need to get my head down now and work hard to make the most of this opportunity,"
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Whilst i welcome the lad i wouldn't be so quick to write off Mcshane who imo hasn't had a very fair crack thus far.
I think Hood will go on loan and possibly Mcshane will follow once RB is fuly fit but like i said i wouldn't want to write any of them off.'"
Agree with the above. Think Lunt is a good loan signing but don't think mcshane and particulary Hood should be written off. Hopefully some loan spells with some first team rugby will assist
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| Leeds have a got a terrific player, an old-school hooker rather than the additional half-back type of dummy half. Close to the line, you'll not stop him.
Gilder has it spot on re the type of role he'll likely play at Leeds.
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| Depending on whether bridges have been burnt between Hudds and Lunt, it may not be that much of a gamble. Was he OOC this year? If not, they still get their player back, and have the chance to bring in a player with good potential in Moore. Its almost a win win situation all round
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Depending on whether bridges have been burnt between Hudds and Lunt, it may not be that much of a gamble. Was he OOC this year? If not, they still get their player back, and have the chance to bring in a player with good potential in Moore. Its almost a win win situation all round'"
Think Lunt has this season and another 3 contracted to hudds
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Think Lunt has this season and another 3 contracted to hudds'"
Correct.
Huddersfield had to move him on to create cap space for Moore. If they decide to retain Moore beyond the end of this season I would expect Lunt to be told he can seek another club, much like Leeds did with Pitts.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Correct.
Huddersfield had to move him on [uto create cap space for Moore. [/uIf they decide to retain Moore beyond the end of this season I would expect Lunt to be told he can seek another club, much like Leeds did with Pitts.'"
Wrong.
Lunt wants to go to oz to be with his brothers + unhappy getting low minutes behind Robbo when he plays + unhappy being 3rd behind Tommy Lee who is a much better defender and has a passing game better suited to the way the Giants play.
If you watched the Giants vs Leeds U20s game you will know exactly what i mean about poor defence.
Clearly moving a high paid player on loan out of our 20s opens up a place and cap space. far more cap space than will be required to sign Moore. Today we have extended the contract of one of our best young forwards.
If you give Lunt 40 mins a game he will give it a go , which is good for Leeds (in attack) and it should help him get a basic contract in oz in 2013. He can then be with his brothers.
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| Cripesginger, you are in the know!
Lunt did have to be moved to bring in Moore & the fact of the matter is, Lunt did not want to play for Huddersfield. FULL STOP
he's now got 6 months at leeds whilst finalising final details to hopefully go to Oz next year. Good luck to him
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| McShane has been told not to expect any game time this season and to look for a loan deal (possibly in Aus).
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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"McShane has been told not to expect any game time this season and to look for a loan deal (possibly in Aus).'"
Care to validate this statement with some fact, quote or official link?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"In fairness you can never guarantee the results of a mentoring programme. The mentored may not have the ability or the will to listen. Not saying that's the case here, but if it hadn't worked out, hindsight is a very powerful tool.'"
Hindsight is a very powerful tool, true. But I made those exact points prior to the signing of Buderus only to be contradicted by a number of posters who were convinced of the positive influence he would have on his understudies.
Just to reiterate, this isn't an anti-Buderus tirade - I was actually very impressed by him as a player.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Hindsight is a very powerful tool, true. But I made those exact points prior to the signing of Buderus only to be contradicted by a number of posters who were convinced of the positive influence he would have on his understudies.
Just to reiterate, this isn't an anti-Buderus tirade - I was actually very impressed by him as a player.'"
Yet you still haven't taken into account the fact that Buderus left a year early than planned.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Quote ="Clearwing"Hindsight is a very powerful tool, true. But I made those exact points prior to the signing of Buderus only to be contradicted by a number of posters who were convinced of the positive influence he would have on his understudies.
Just to reiterate, this isn't an anti-Buderus tirade - I was actually very impressed by him as a player.'"
Yet you still haven't taken into account the fact that Buderus left a year early than planned.'"
Didn't he sign an extension, or was he always on a 4 year deal?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yet you still haven't taken into account the fact that Buderus left a year early than planned.'"
That surely should have been more of a concern for those who stressed the important role in developing young players that he was going to play. I always questioned whether it was nailed on that he'd have a positive effect in that respect.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"That surely should have been more of a concern for those who stressed the important role in developing young players that he was going to play. I always questioned whether it was nailed on that he'd have a positive effect in that respect.'"
How do you know it hasn't?
Nobody can possibly know what McShane or Hood would have turned out like without Buderus at the club.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"That surely should have been more of a concern for those who stressed the important role in developing young players that he was going to play. I always questioned whether it was nailed on that he'd have a positive effect in that respect.'"
Why should it be?
You don't do A-Levels before doing GCSE, there is a learning curve. If that curve included the missed year, then it would have an effect.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"That surely should have been more of a concern for those who stressed the important role in developing young players that he was going to play. I always questioned whether it was nailed on that he'd have a positive effect in that respect.'"
Likewise you cannot blame the teacher if he cannot get all his thick pupils into university if you get what I mean?
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Quote ="The Eagle"Didn't he sign an extension, or was he always on a 4 year deal?'"
Initially Buderus signed a two year deal covering the 2009 and 2010 seasons:
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-2174415
The contract extension was announced as part of the now infamous 'Magnificent Seven' press release:
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6390759.jp
It appeared at the time that no-one really knew how long the extension was for but it subsequently transpired it covered the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
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Quote ="The Eagle"Didn't he sign an extension, or was he always on a 4 year deal?'"
Initially Buderus signed a two year deal covering the 2009 and 2010 seasons:
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-2174415
The contract extension was announced as part of the now infamous 'Magnificent Seven' press release:
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6390759.jp
It appeared at the time that no-one really knew how long the extension was for but it subsequently transpired it covered the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
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| I've never bought into the mentoring theory TBH. Giving players a few tips at training is not the same as working with them intensively one-on-one, and is no substitute for playing experience. I'm sure Buderus did what he could to help McShane and Hood, but in the end I doubt it amounted to much. He did after all have a day job.
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