Half of East Leeds.

Maybe he's been for a scrape?

You got me there



However you will have noted rhinoms that I have only defended what I felt was unfair. I have not and will not defended his illogical team selections, illiterate media comment and terrible bodly language.

touche Tonto.

My 'acumen' has never been questioned, unlike certain others?



Cross is still technically awful though, just so we're clear. I've just started feeling sorry for him.

Cross has the best m per carry and highest marker tackles of all our props and no worse errors or penalties. His game time has been short and his work rate high. Sure he is not the best but neither are any of our other props and he certainly is better than Kirke of Kylie at present.

I know mate i was the same earlier in the season but he just can't seem to get the team going imo and for that he's as much to blame as the 17 who are playing pants on the field.
Anyhow maybe we can have reasonable performance and decent result this weekend.

Nice to see you throwing a few stats in. Very refreshing. Good work.

Can we still change any of the 19 selected if say on the day the players declare themselves unfit to play?
I know the 19 man squad rule was brought in to stop this.
But Bluey used to get away with it .
If JP,JJB and KS drop out then Cross and Clarkson might just get a game.
I can`t see KL playing two games in 3 days either.

Lets not forget these are props we are talklng about. We are not looking for some a seminar of the theory of being a RL prop. We need urgent action with big effort and a good go forward. Cross provides this - ok with some rough edges that frankly we could have done with over the past couple of weeks. He has made the most marker tackles per game (4.7) of any Leeds player with only Peacock coming close. (Kirke 2.57 and Kylie 2.25) This is important because it has been an area of weakness for us when compared to other sides (we are 12th out of 14) It also shows he was 1st or 2nd into the tackle and was up and ready to defend.

I suppose with your "acumen" and fairness you would say that with the exceptions of Cross, JP, JJB & Buderus the rest of the Leeds forwards are "technically bloody awful" ......Right Kemo Sabi?

Crossy deserves a chance, fair enough hes made some mistakes getting penalised whilst in possession twice but i feel especially now JP is fit again he could really compliment our pack, but i said a couple of weeks ago, for what ever reason hes well out of faour atm, and i cant see him playing again this season.

burgess is back thats one good thing, but clarky still not selected is a joke, he was playing well and getting better and better every week now he cant get in, which i could understand if we were showing warringtons form, but weve just shipped 40+ in back to back games. Its easy to see that hes worth a place more than weller at the moment, well for everyone except Mc!

yes you can change injured players up to kick off but they need a doctors note supposedly, I can't see a problem with jjb playing sunday as he's the 18th man tonight!

Clarkson more directly should be in Wellers spot. It's not rocket science, it's only rugby.

But on a scale you're correct Cross should be above him in the pecking order.

Yeah with the exception of Cross?? Yeah I can't let that slide, at all. His technically awfulness is his achilles heel, his weak-spot. All players have them. I have never questioned his fitness or workrate. Just the way he goes about things, it's a little Sloppy Joe for me. if he could get a handle on his aggression and channel it effectively he would be vastly improved and would give himself a better opportunity to make the 17. He had a run at the start of the year to show what he could do, when we were struggling with prop injuries maybe he hasn't done enough?

I know props are props and the whole 'big daft lad' sentiment can be brought up, but he's far from perfect. My ideal props of Kylie, JP, Biff and Bails is the correct combo IMO. You get a bit of everything. They just all need to hit their straps. ALL not just leaving out your 'chosen ones'. I expect more.

Look at the Biff and Clarkson situation. Cross can't find his way into the team with these 2 on the edges, which is a puzzle. But I'd rather see Biff/Clarky than Cross. But in fairness Cross is light years ahead of weller, so go figure!

Saddle up brother.

Ok so yorks have a 2020 game before yes? Can you watch both with one ticket? Penny pinching here. Obviously you can go in the cricket stands before the rugby with a rugby ticket theres nothing to stop it but what about the other way round anyone know? Thanks.

It's a fiver for Rhinos season ticket holders to watch the cricket.

good luck trying to watch the cricket tomorrow

rain by plenty

This game on Radio Leeds tomorrow?

Sadly, the forecast would seem to suggest you will be proved correct.

Rhinoms is always one of the most positive optimistic contributers on this forum....so when he laments the present situation one must surely concede it is something that needs to be listened to.

"complement" (unless you ARE suggesting he could praise the pack's abilities, hairstyles or choice of tatoos)

I deserve to be listened to no more than the next man/woman mate.
I can accept defeat and it's a fact of sport in general that you can't win every game.
I just think the last 2wks of 2nd half "efforts" and prior performances (Wigan for 65minutes aside) against the top 4 highlight the need for a over-haul both in player terms and in Coaching staff.
I just want us to compete and think this squad should be at least competative against the other top 4 teams.
Of course one of the biggest things that's pi$$ing me off personally are the unbelievable press conferences when we've had our @r#s handed to us and the continued absence of Clarkson ,Burgess and Cross who at the very least deserve bench spots in terms of others not doing the job.
This can be turned around with some big calls from GH re-recruitment and retention and tbh the youth production is looking very promising also so it's interesting times ahead.

No mate, no cross or clarky in the 19, burgess and kirke are tho, and all the players involved in the eng vs exiles could back up. I suppose he may call clarkson in depending on how the players are shaping up.

Seems a bit of a joke not including clarky!!!!! Even cross should be fresh and would make more sense to include him rather than some knackered and brused players backing up

I wonder if/when we'll see Cross again.

The club have confirmed there is no injury and given some of the recent performances you'd have thought he could/should have been brought in if nothing else to freshen things up.

When he has played IMO he's looked much better than Hauraki who went through an identical 'sabbatical' and has been 'forgiven' recently so perhaps there is a disciplinary reason for his continued none selection that the club refuse to give details about?

If there is no disciplinary reason for his continued none selection then I hope any potential NRL signings we might be looking at/near to agreeing terms for next season don't ring Cross for an opinion on us as i'm sure he won't be given them/us a glowing endorsement