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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Yeah, by you!!!! You starting a thread on it doesn't count!'"
Actually I dont have a account on Wasps.. why would i want to make a account on yawnion forum which i dont even like? Got to be more Adams out there in the world im sure
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"G1 - I think you were looking in the wrong section, it is covered in section B, but it could be that section C does not reflect the update in section B. If that is the only change in section C since the last amendment then I can see why the RFL did not bother with an update.
[iB1:15 The Board shall be given the discretion to declare that a Player qualifies as a ‘Club
Trained Player’ or a ‘Federation Trained Player’ notwithstanding that the player does not
satisfy strictly the definition where in the Board’s absolute discretion the Board is satisfied
that in all the circumstances the player satisfies the spirit of the definition and in particular
shall take into account in relation to ‘Federation Trained Player’ any time registered with a
member club of a member organisation of the relevant federation, and in relation to ‘Club
Trained Player’ time registered on loan with a member club of the relevant federation or a
member club of a member organisation of the relevant federation. The burden of
establishing such circumstances is strictly on the individual player.[/i'"
Cheers IA. If you need a job as a research assistant (on a voluntary basis) I can accomadate you)
Section B does indeed provide the clarity. Shame if contradicts with the out-dated section C.
So, in other words, in order to make things absolutely clear, individual players that may not qualify as federation trained or indeed club trained can apply to be treated as such at the absolute discretion of the board and at the burden of the player.
In order to attain such a qualification the only guidelines are that the board will take into account time registered with a club or time spent on loan with a club.
It's not clear at all but i suspect, on advice, they've kept it in the loosest possible terms.
Given they were contracted with us before the introduction of the regulations it wouldn't take much sabre rattling to have Kylie, Donald, Ali and Webb qualified as Federation trained. However, we're allowed a maximum of 6 according to B1:11C(c) anyway so at least one of the aforementioned four players must have been qualified as federation trained. Given that the Super League web site says that will be reduced to 5 next year it will be interesting to see what happens wit Buderus, Ali and Donald, all of whom are out of contract and only one of whom would definitely count as Fed trained (Buderus).
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Yeah, by you!!!! You starting a thread on it doesn't count!'"
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| Quote ="tvoc"
Of course it has long since been established on here that there is no such thing as 'the spirit of the regulations.''" let me translate the legal-ease of that particular clause for you.
"[iGiven that our new regulations would not stand up in a court of law if anyone ever challenged them this clause is sufficiently woolley to allow us to accede to the demands of any player with a lawyer and the cajones to test us[/i."
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| Quote ="G1"let me translate the legal-ease of that particular clause for you.
"[iGiven that our new regulations would not stand up in a court of law if anyone ever challenged them this clause is sufficiently woolley to allow us to accede to the demands of any player with a lawyer and the cajones to test us[/i."'"
You have to wonder why Wakefield didn't present a case for Ben Jeffries to be re-classified as Club or Federation Trained as it cost them the services of the already contracted James Stosic for 2010? Very strange on the face of it.
Quote ="G1"Given that the Super League web site says that will be reduced to 5 next year it will be interesting to see what happens wit Buderus, Ali and Donald, all of whom are out of contract and only one of whom would definitely count as Fed trained (Buderus).'"
Or to put it another way, definitely count as non-fed trained (Buderus)
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| Quote ="Frosties."Actually I dont have a account on Wasps.. why would i want to make a account on yawnion forum which i dont even like? Got to be more Adams out there in the world im sure
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With the same username as your twitter username?
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"With the same username as your twitter username?'"
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| Quote ="Frosties."www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/mar/22/leeds-rhinos-wasps-lee-smith'"
I hope he does return but permanently not on loan.
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| Quote ="Frosties."www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/mar/22/leeds-rhinos-wasps-lee-smith'"
Quality piece of journalism there:
[iThe Rhinos have lost the Australian wing Scott Donald for three months with a =#FF0000wrist injury; his most obvious replacement, Kallum Watkins, is out for the season with a ruptured cruciate ligament; and the =#FF0000 centre Carl Ablett will be out for another month with =#FF0000a knee problem. [/i
[iThe Rhinos' captain, Kevin Sinfield, =#FF0000who has missed the last two games with a thigh injury, is doubtful for the Wigan game but Ryan Hall, Danny Buderus, Ryan Bailey and Tom Bush should be fit to return.[/i
I'm still left to wonder what this desperate search 'far and wide' for an outside back is saying to Jones-Bishop out on loan at the Harlequins.
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I'm still left to wonder what this desperate search 'far and wide' for an outside back is saying to Jones-Bishop out on loan at the Harlequins.'"
I'm sure they've spoken to him to explain their reasons. The thing is, he's probably better there knowing he's first choice in his favoured position than coming back here playing on the wing for a few weeks then going back to the under 20's. Once we've recalled him can Quins loan him again in the same season? I don't know if there are any rules concerning that. Even if he can, when he goes back he could have lost his place and that doesn't help anybody.
It's an odd one that's for sure but they're the only reasons I can come up with why we're not calling him back.
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| I accept what you're saying but here's my take on the situation.
Kallum Watkins was Leeds' 1st choice replacement outside back for this season. He fulfilled that role pretty well considering he had already seen action as cover for Webb at full back, then Delaney at centre and finally Donald on the wing. Regardless of the fitness, availability and form of the remaining outside backs Leeds have lost their 1st choice outside back cover.
Jones-Bishop would, I believe and I know not everyone agrees with me, be capable of fulfilling that role. Would Jones-Bishop be behind Bush, Coady and Clarkson if he wasn't out on loan? Jones-Bishop's development at the Harlequins was a sound plan before the season started but circumstances have changed.
Why are Leeds searching 'far and wide' (according to Hetherington) to bring in an outside back on loan (or permanent if you believe some that claim to be 'in the know' on here) when they already have such a prospect on the books. Jones-Bishop is no kid either he'll be twenty-two later this season.
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| Sounds like Leeds are doing the decent thing and letting us keep him
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| I would love to see Lee Smith back in a Rhinos shirt, but if it is just one man's ramblings spreading over the net, BJB should be back at Headingley as soon as his loan deal allows
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| Quote ="Hopie"but if it is just one man's ramblings spreading over the net'"
I think you do a fine job of hiding your true feelings.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I think you do a fine job of hiding your true feelings.
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Your insight serves you well.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Quality piece of journalism there:
[iThe Rhinos have lost the Australian wing Scott Donald for three months with a =#FF0000wrist injury; his most obvious replacement, Kallum Watkins, is out for the season with a ruptured cruciate ligament; and the=#FF0000 centre Carl Ablett will be out for another month with =#FF0000a knee problem. [/i
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I'm still left to wonder what this desperate search 'far and wide' for an outside back is saying to Jones-Bishop out on loan at the Harlequins.'"
Ablett has said he could be back for the Bulls game a week on thursday
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| Quote ="Gary Hetherington"'We are short on numbers and are casting our net far and wide. We are ready to move this week. At this moment, I wouldn’t rule out anyone.' '"
[size=50Except Ben Jones-Bishop obviously.[/size
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| Quote ="tvoc"[size=50Except Ben Jones-Bishop obviously.[/size
What's Jonah Lomu up to these days?'"
Amateur Bodybuilding.
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| Maybe it wont be long before the Vainakolo to Leeds thread resurfaces???
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"Maybe it wont be long before the Vainakolo to Leeds thread resurfaces???
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Doubt it as he has just signed a new 2 year deal today
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| Lee played for Wasps reserves tonight.
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