Lol. Its not like you to try and twist away from where you've c0cked up.

Want to tell us more about all these scoots from dummy half in 2014?

No?

Sid Domic & Ade Gardner by plenty.

ROFLMAO

I'm sorry you missed Man of Steel winner Daryl Clark's trademark dummy half scoots which earned him the award.

Where were you in 2014?

Thanks for bringing him up. He's 1 of 3 players in the top 50 metre makers. You know what position those 3 play? I'll give you a clue, the other 47 aren't hookers. You need to watch more than just the highlights on the Super League Show you know.

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh. You stick to your 2006 era if you like. Lol. Sid Domic & Ade Gardner.







Anything to add to the actual topic by the way?

Reduce the team to 11 players, you could easily lose two forwards and not even notice at scrum time.

And make the pitch ten metres wider on each side, which may bugger up most grounds, so play the game across the field rather than lengthways, like the schoolkids do at half time.

play the ball like they do in American football,cos gone have the days when you put the ball down and play it with your foot.

im with you on this. would also like to see all balls going to ground (except kicks) as knock on. no ambiguity of if it went forward or back. you drop it, its knock on.
and get rid of the "flat pass" its never flat, its bloody forward

Scrap the "free play", scrap the "if the balls moving near the touch in goal/touch line, you can step over the line and make it dead so you get the ball" rule.

If you kick the ball from within your own half and it goes over the in goal line, tap on the 40 rather than 20.

I like the free play rule personally. It removes the grey area and leaves no room for interpretation which I think is a good thing when you consider the amount 50/50 decisions referees have to make in a game.

I think removing the "foot over the line dead ball rule" mentioned above is also a good idea.

As for the interchanges, and ways to cut out the wrestle. how about we leave things as they are and coaches think of new ways to counter that with their attacking play?

Don't agree at all it should be a knock on if it goes forward. Any ball hitting the floor given as knock on is ridiculous

Not sure if I understand the point you make and if I mis understand I appologies. But is not just hookers who scoot, i imagine there are a fair few wingers and FB in there who do a fair bit of scooting

care to explain? if it hits the floor the player obviously didnt intend to do it, this way refs wouldn't need to guess about if it went forwards of back. would hardly call it "ridiculous" as the poster before says, its the 50/50s we need to cut down on, then fans can not moan. if a player can not catch a pass or the passer not make a good pass they should be penalised.

I've argued for many years that we should have six substitutions (no interchange once you're off you're off) I would have eight substitutes on the bench and two of those should be 21 or under at the start of the season.

Allow ball stripping, make it the ball carriers responsibility to keep hold of it.

And finally, if the ball goes dead from a kick then the tap should be either from the 20 as is now OR from where the ball was kicked. That should stop teams just kicking the ball dead from 40 and 50 metres or more.

I agree with Johns on both the problem he highlights and his solution. The entertainment aspect to the game has deteriorated since teams have filled their benches with lookalike second-rowers whose sole purpose and skill is defence. This has reduced the chances and with it the experience for young backs which is a reason IMO for the drop in standards in backs and half backs.

I would also consider limiting the number of defenders allowed in the tackle which should quicken up the PTB.

New Rule No. 1
After Team A has scored a try, Team B restarts the game with a tap on the half way line. (Like they do in soccer)

New Rule No. 2
Team A can not kick on the fifth tackle when it is in Team B's half of the field.

Unfortunately you can't allow ball stripping with full time pro's. Teams training would simply shift from the wrestle to having 2 defenders hold the attackers arms and the 3rd steal the ball. It would also encourage players to simply wrap the ball up rather than look for a pass or an offload.

Re the ball being kicked dead. To bring that rule in we'd need far bigger in-goals. Some are tiny at the moment even without a full size pitch.
I also don't think it's necessary. 20m is a perfectly reasonable gain for the team. If it wasn't then teams wouldn't be willing to let the ball go dead, yet they do on nearly every occasion.

I sort of agree on the subs, I just don't know if it'll have the desired effect or if it would lead to even fitter workhorses if you can't use a Feka or a Lauitiiti.

Bring back the shoulder charge.

The ball has to be passed backwards - no flat pass.

A drop out has to be taken within a given timeframe i.e. 30 seconds - teams simply delay the drop out to get a rest.

Your wanting a rule where if the ball clearly goes backwards you still want a knock on decision. Ridiculous idea I'm my book

Getting rid of the national anthem at internationals would improve my enjoyment immensely.

not great, but cuts out any 50/50 call from the ref and makes players learn to pass and catch. win win

The facts are that Man of Steel for 2014 was awarded to a player because of his scooting prowess. He scooted his way to the award. He was in effect the Man of Scoot!

For someone who claims that scooting has all but been eliminated from the game these days, I'd suggest you might want to consider upgrading to Zeiss varifocals.

Except that Daryl Clark was only ninth on the list of most runs from dummy half in the 2014 season. It's not the amount he did it that was impressive, it was the way he did it and the result.

In 2011, six players had over 300 runs from dummy half (per the official statistics at superleague.co.uk). Roby - 778, Houghton - 371, Withers - 343, Monaghan - 342, McIlorum - 326, Henderson - 315.

In 2012, four players had over 380 runs from dummy half (Roby - 756, McIlorum - 451, Houghton - 434, L'Estrange - 384), Two others topped 300 (Lincoln Withers and Luke Robinson).

In 2014, only two players topped the 300 mark (Roby - 420, Scott Moore - 317). Now either what constitutes a run from dummy half has been reclassified (highly unlikely), or in fact there are fewer runs from dummy half now than there were just two or three years ago.

I'm sure you'll find a reason for that which you can spin into a derogatory comment about the state of the game, or a tiresome ad hominem attack. But them's the facts, and they support the assertion that runs from dummy half are on the decrease in SL.

bring back hanging - for anyone caught punching in a grand final - lol

I miss the contested scrums and traditional ball getting hookers,but I don't know wether I would want contested scrums reintroduced

I'd like to see the existing rules properly applied & observed before we add/change them.
Make players play the ball with the foot, it's not so difficult now that the opponent cannot strike for the ball.
We have some prime culprits, JP is arguably the biggest offender.