Both the red card and the last minute scrum were down to the video-ref, not Silverwood.

The Hohaia ball-strip was a mistake (though it was one-on-one and probably went backward).

how people call him a "leeds" ref ill never know

Steve Ganson is why you lost not Silverwood! Stitched right up

Why can the video ref send a player off now but they mainly go on report when they can't see usually. It was a penalty at most games going soft

it was a red.
but this raises a good point. normally it would be a on report, yet suddenly the VR can tell the ref its a red card? i think thats brilliant and should be used more ofter (we wont ever see it again btw) that way it by passes the shambles that is the on report function. at least saints got the benefit not wigan/hull.

I believe Mr Silverwood is a Leeds fan, that's good news!!! as I dread to think how many 50/50 calls we would have had tonight otherwise. Lets hope we have the pleasure of his company again in the play offs? or will he be dropped like players who have a poor game? At least he made the night for Phil Clarke and the rest of the impartial team on Sky, and also he will have cheered up Eamon McManus, as they will now likely have the Hub Cap to put in the empty trophy cabinet. Can't wait till we meet again in the play offs!!!

The red card should be the onfield ref's decision. Moot point here, as once the VR tells him it's a shoulder charge to the head, there's no decision to make.

I've only briefly seen a replay (just back from my holidays!) So this is a genuine question.... was it actually intended to be a shoulder charge? I thought it looked like a case of bad timing by Moon combined with Perceval falling forwards in the tackle. If so then it seemed a harsh (but not necessarily unwarranted) red card.

I think plenty of worse challenges escape punishment and suspect the injury was the key factor in the red (not something I generally agree with as intent should be the key factor)

It was an automatic red these days. A couple of years ago, pre ban, it would have probably been let go with Moon back slapped by his team mates for forcing the mistake. But when you look at the replay, it's a classic shoulder charge, there is a lazy attempt to get the hands up but the point of the shoulder impacts first and very cleanly with the cheek bone. For me it doesn't matter what the arms are doing, it's the point of contact that the problem. It was a challenge Moon should have stayed out of, there wasn't enough of Percival available for him to have any sort of meaningful shot on him as he was wrapped up well by other players. The head was the only real target. Moon isn't a dirty player, but hasn't he been sent off before? A nice 2 game rest before the play offs is probably in order.

I don't think Moon has actually 'charged' him though. He's stopped still and awaited the impact but admittedly with his arm/shoulder facing the Saints lad.....bit like Bailey on Mauire at Knowsley Road a few years back. As Percival's getting tackled his head is lower than it would've been.

That's why I'm still not sure about it, he doesn't run and charged into the lad, he let's the guy run at him and his arm.

You'll see similiar many times over the next few weeks an no one will bat an eyelid.

Yet silverwood has taken it upon himself to go to the screen, and then have him sent off. Why don't they simply go to the screen everytime instead of putting someone on report like the always do?

I only saw the last 30mins so missed the incident but could I speculate that the only difference is that there was a resulting injury...(

Felt a bit sorry for Leeds fan Mr Silverwood when he had to send one of his pals off

VR and Sky to blame for me

I think the tackle was poor technique rather than a deliberate shoulder to head charge. My main complaint was silverwood allowing saints to persistently infringe at the play the ball. Thus preventing a quick play the ball.

Silverwood should have red-carded himself!

The first 20 mins of saints messing about at the play the ball was the worst , two other key moments were when the saints player clearly passed the ball when tackle completed and the worst one when Leeds on top and Briscoe giving penalty away

I agree it's technically a penalty when they throw the pass after grounding it like that, but when a player is having his ass hauled out over the sideline, when have you ever seen them use that rule?

This was the issue that frustrated me too. It really is a bluddy lottery sometimes as to how an official is going to 'police' the rules.

I thought the red card was a travesty. Moon's feet were planted as he was third man in the tackle where the Saints player was driving out from the Saints line. The Saints player's head made contact with his shoulder, but Moon didn't set out to hit him with his shoulder.

Silverwood was awful.
Holding down and offsides gone unpunished.
Numerous dodgy calls on knock-ons/ball steals that go against refs guidelines.
No yellow for the off the ball hit.

And then the red card.
He was giving play on. And then somebody must have had a word in his ear. He didn't see that hit and nor did his touch judges. Otherwise they'd have been on the pitch giving him a direct report.

So he's sent a player off based on a report from the video ref.
If this is the case, why isn't every incident looked at by the video ref in TV games? There would never be a need for an on-report in a TV game.

We, as a sport, have to get some consistency in refereeing decisions/interpretations and in how referees utilise the resources available to them.

If he can check with the video ref for that incident, he can check other controversial calls.

Exactly.

As I stated elsewhere the officiating is a bluddy lottery depending it seems on a whim of an individual on any given day

A poor performance all round from MR Silverwood not helped by Saint Steve Ganson as the video ref and two inept linesmen who see jack . The sending off was the game breaker and we did brilliant to hold on for so long, the final decision kinda typified his whole game when with 40 plus seconds left he gives Saints head and feed when Aiton gets the ball smashed at him with his back turned. The constant lying on and the latitude he gave Saints with the offside rule was ridiculous, if I didn't know any better I would think he had money on an away win

Silverwood awarded 13 penalties in the 1st half and about 2 in the second - did someone have a word at half-time?

Probably did for Leeds' chances to add any further points as kicking penalty goals is about all that is on offer when McGuire's under-rated passing game and Burrow's individual darts are missing from the team sheet.

For once Briscoe appeared the most enthusiastic of the Leeds back three with Hardaker particularly lethargic.

As for the sending off - why shouldn't the video referee/s make a contribution to the decision. Percival appeared concussed and took no further part in the game so something had happened whether Silverwood or the touch judges had seen the incident clearly or not. I imagine Silverwood asked for the assistance.

What is McDermott quoted as saying: "I only saw it a couple of times in the throes of the game so I'm not 100 percent sure but =#FF0000it didn't look like he made contact with the head and, if he hasn't, then it's a big call, a wrong call in my opinion."

Presumably he'll see it as a correct call once he's had time to review it then.

Did anyone else think the second try was dubious because the tackled player moved off his mark? He took a step to his left, and because the markers stayed where they were, it meant Roby could jump out of dummy half and attack the line.

Anyway, shocking performance by Silverwood. He ruined, and let Saints ruin, what should have been a good game. Compare it to Bentham last week. Seems like Silverwood always want to be the main man out there. I'm disappointed for the 15 players and 2 unused subs

because they arent allowed/never have before nor will they again. just typical RFL lottery with the refs. i would love to see the VR assist the ref, be fantastic, however in ANY other game thats a leeds scrum. instead its a saints pen and leeds down a man using ruls never used before or again =/