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| Quote ="KaeruJim"I really can't make my mind up on Newman. He is an exciting player to watch and has X-factor, which you can't really coach. We need players who can break a game and do something special at Leeds, and he is one.
On the other hand his arguing with Holroyd (not wise), referees and fans drives me crazy. That attitude stinks, even if I've heard RS try to spin it.
He really hasn't done enough in the game by a country mile to be as cocky as he seems to be - and if he had contributed more he should be humble about it like previous greats have been. RS says the squad loves Harry and this and that but... if he was chelping off at me on the pitch like he seems to enjoy, I'd not be taking it.'"
Feel the same. Undoubtedly an incredible talent and a proper game-changer but that part of his game is getting worse and I have a feeling if we don't take active steps to teach him to rein it in, or channel it into his performance instead that it's going to be his undoing. All the positive spin we've had on it 'He wants to win', 'at least he cares' etc are valid but what separates kids from pros is the pros take that anger and frustration and turn it into performance. All this back chat and stropping always end up being detrimental. Opposition will just wind him up and he'll lose his head. People don't go out to wind up the players who'll take that and turn it into game-winning moments imho
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| From my own perspective when I used to play, I had matches where I suspect I came across a bit like Harry.
In my opinion, with all his injuries, he has come back, too determined and desperate to make up for lost time. Essentially, he is too pumped up to succeed. Clearly, he has overstepped the mark on quite a few occasions and possibly his over keenness to make up for lost time has got him trying to overperform to a point where its affecting his performance, his thinking and he is underperforming.
Hopefully, Rohan can speak to him positively and constructively to get him to use his determination and motivation in the best way. Personally, I would tell him not to try be too involved and take a step back a little and his form will come.
I think the one criticism with Watkin's was that I felt he was a little soft and didn't want it that much. Talentwise he was world class but he didn't want it as much as Harry and didn't always come looking to affect games sometimes. Whereas, Harry is the opposite, he wants it too much. He needs a balance between Watkin's and himself.
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| Yeah good comments - of course all of this is moot if the lad can't get and stay fit. He seems to pull up almost every game with a limp of some kind. As has been said on here before, some bodies are just not cut out for RL (mine certainly isn't!).
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Would you switch Newman and play Mom right hand side then?'"
I think this is going to be an interesting one.
I'd want to see Momirovski playing inside Fusitu'a. I think Fusi will get much more clean ball that way, and score more tries. Something he has lacked a little this season.
I also think Newman is naturally better at passing the ball to the left than right. He seems to have struggled putting the long right pass in at times. Both of these would suggest that Harry should wear the number 4 shirt next season.
But, I then think the left side would be a defensive weak point. Both Newman and Handley have a tendency to stray from their channel when defending, and both can miss tackles. I'd prefer Mom on the left in defence to give a bit more stability.
If I was Rohan, I'd be tempted to trial having Newman and Momirovski switch positions depending on who has possession of the ball.
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| Most teams attack left to right due to the relative ease of passing that way. In that case you’d want your best defenders on your right, meaning Mom is 3 & Harry is 4.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Most teams attack left to right due to the relative ease of passing that way. In that case you’d want your best defenders on your right, meaning Mom is 3 & Harry is 4.'"
One of them isn't correct. You'd be putting your weaker defender on their left, facing the attackers right. Or am I misreading?
Instead of putting the two stronger defenders (Fusi and Mom) on one side, and the two weaker defenders (Newman and Handley) on the other, I'd mix them up.
I can't find stats on Super League, but this seasons NRL stats show that the percentage of tries scored per area are 36.5% for left channel, 24% for middle, 39.5% for right channel. So there isn't that much in it.
Some clubs have bigger percentages one way, and some others, which obviously depends on players and playing style.
I'm sure Rohan has better access to relevant stats though, and will know on a team by team basis which sides needs an emphasis on defence.
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| id play to the stronger attacking threat, mom and fus together for me.
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| Interesting decision for Rohan to make. My personal opinion would be Newman/Handley and Mom/Fus. This is based on Newman more likely to break a line and Handley has always been good in support. Whereas Mom more likely to draw a defender and release the winger which would be better for Fus. But hey, nice to be in this position… just hope the back five can stay fit long enough to string some proper games together.
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| Quote ="YoRhino"Interesting decision for Rohan to make. My personal opinion would be Newman/Handley and Mom/Fus. This is based on Newman more likely to break a line and Handley has always been good in support. Whereas Mom more likely to draw a defender and release the winger which would be better for Fus. But hey, nice to be in this position… just hope the back five can stay fit long enough to string some proper games together.'"
Agree with this. Mom isn't as explosive as Nene but he has a far better rugby brain, much better step and passer, also defensively much better. I think he's suited to Fusi more but what do i know
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| Quote ="Leeds_Luke"One of them isn't correct. You'd be putting your weaker defender on their left, facing the attackers right. Or am I misreading?
Instead of putting the two stronger defenders (Fusi and Mom) on one side, and the two weaker defenders (Newman and Handley) on the other, I'd mix them up.
I can't find stats on Super League, but this seasons NRL stats show that the percentage of tries scored per area are 36.5% for left channel, 24% for middle, 39.5% for right channel. So there isn't that much in it.
Some clubs have bigger percentages one way, and some others, which obviously depends on players and playing style.
I'm sure Rohan has better access to relevant stats though, and will know on a team by team basis which sides needs an emphasis on defence.'"
Yeah you're right, I meant attack Right to Left. With Mom at 3 and Harry at 4 we would have our best defender against their most likely attack, and our best line breaker receiving more ball when we attack.
I meant the other left...
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Yeah you're right, I meant attack Right to Left. With Mom at 3 and Harry at 4 we would have our best defender against their most likely attack, and our best line breaker receiving more ball when we attack.
I meant the other left...
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I'm pretty sure that our best line breaker next season is going to be Miller. Hopefully he'll take some pressure off Newman in that regard. Croft (if he comes) is also great at taking on the line, so we might go from one to three. Will make a big difference.
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| Yes it’s like when we had Hurrell, we used to give it to the big lad in our 20m and say “off you go, run through the entire opposition.”. Having just one guy in the team like that it rubbish; get 3-4 and we’re different gravy.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Yes it’s like when we had Hurrell, we used to give it to the big lad in our 20m and say “off you go, run through the entire opposition.”. Having just one guy in the team like that it rubbish; get 3-4 and we’re different gravy.'"
Funnily enough Saints are now seemingly having this issue with Hurrell, their fans are saying he’s their only line breaker.
Mind you they are also having the same issues we did, he’s been dropped for being overweight and not training properly apparently
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| Quote ="christopher"Funnily enough Saints are now seemingly having this issue with Hurrell, their fans are saying he’s their only line breaker.
Mind you they are also having the same issues we did, he’s been dropped for being overweight and not training properly apparently'"
Funny player Hurrell, one of the best in the world going forward into contact, legs the size of trees.
If he just had a different mentality he could have been world class but there it is.
We really could do with Croft or another 6 who can break the line and has some pace. Ideally I’d like one or two in the pack like that too, although Cam Smith can make a break occasionally to be fair.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Funny player Hurrell, one of the best in the world going forward into contact, legs the size of trees.
If he just had a different mentality he could have been world class but there it is.
We really could do with Croft or another 6 who can break the line and has some pace. Ideally I’d like one or two in the pack like that too, although Cam Smith can make a break occasionally to be fair.'"
Cam Smith can break, but frustratingly slow…
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| He doesn't need to finish them off it's the initial line break that matters then having hopefully miller or croft on his shoulder.
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| Quote ="Seth"He doesn't need to finish them off it's the initial line break that matters then having hopefully miller or croft on his shoulder.'"
This has frustrated me over the last few years. Not since Brent Webb have we had a fullback who consistently runs support lines.
Every time Peacock took the ball in, Webb would run past him, even if 4/5 times he didn't get an offload away. From what I've seen of Miller, he's not the playmaker fullback type, so would like to see him run off Smith, Oledzki, Sangare a lot.
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| Quote ="exiledrhino"This has frustrated me over the last few years. Not since Brent Webb have we had a fullback who consistently runs support lines.
Every time Peacock took the ball in, Webb would run past him, even if 4/5 times he didn't get an offload away. From what I've seen of Miller, he's not the playmaker fullback type, so would like to see him run off Smith, Oledzki, Sangare a lot.'"
Mags used to do that too
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| Quote ="Seth"He doesn't need to finish them off it's the initial line break that matters then having hopefully miller or croft on his shoulder.'"
That’s true, guess I just like a bit of pace in the back row. Don’t you think Smith is exceptionally slow though?
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| Quote ="Seth"He doesn't need to finish them off it's the initial line break that matters then having hopefully miller or croft on his shoulder.'"
Agreed. There were so many times last year where the break happened and the only real natural support player was myler, who isn’t exactly as quick as he used to be.
As you say Croft and Miller should be a big improvement in that sense. Maybe not quite to the old days of Burrow, Magsy and Webb but perhaps as close to that as we’ve been in a while.
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| To be fair Myler is a pretty good support runner when he's fit. He was never the organising or play-making half that we needed, but IMO he plays in a similar style to Webb (after Webb's back injury robbed him of his pace).
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"To be fair Myler is a pretty good support runner when he's fit. He was never the organising or play-making half that we needed, but IMO he plays in a similar style to Webb (after Webb's back injury robbed him of his pace).'"
Miller is going to be a completely different beast to Myler, because his strength, footwork and speed off the mark will mean he comes up with lots of line breaks. He's also very good playing down the right side (as is Croft) and that in itself will bring a new dimension to our attack.
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| Quote ="exiledrhino"This has frustrated me over the last few years. Not since Brent Webb have we had a fullback who consistently runs support lines.
Every time Peacock took the ball in, Webb would run past him, even if 4/5 times he didn't get an offload away. From what I've seen of Miller, he's not the playmaker fullback type, so would like to see him run off Smith, Oledzki, Sangare a lot.'" If you watch NRL round 4 Miller does have a nice link up pass in him as well as being a line breaker.
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"If you watch NRL round 4 Miller does have a nice link up pass in him as well as being a line breaker.'"
I've watched a fair few full games now and he has a few strings to his bow: lovely catch and pass skills; short and long drop outs; big penalty kicks to touch and a decent goalkicker as well. To balance that, he isn't a defensive stopper in the Hardaker mode, and he does have the odd mistake in him. He dropped a real clanger in the early minutes of round 5 against Manly ( got his positioning completely wrong and let them score unchallenged) but he really rolled his sleeves up after that and was as good as any other player on the field. I think he's going to be great for us.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"He dropped a real clanger in the early minutes of round 5 against Manly ( got his positioning completely wrong and let them score unchallenged) .'"
It was a random country ground in Mudgee and he confused the try line with the 10m line, was a bit WTF happened there watching it.
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