You could have saved yourself the trouble by reading the thread.

Because it isn't a fact. It's your opinion. We all know what that is worth.

Erm, let me think, that is a toughie. Play 1 hooker maybe?

I note the coach could resist the urge to start with Buderus again yesterday and I also note he responded by being generally gash and underwhelming.

The most clueless fans in the league.

I don't dissagree with you there. But I would have put him better than Diskin yesterday. I thought both were gash and underwhelming yesterday. We can't ignore Diskin's performance if commenting on Buderus.

Which Is why I didn't agree with your comment on Bailey earlier. You made it sound that the other props did not impress. But due to the amount of work those guys had to to do, I though Kylie and Burgess put in tremendous efforts, along with Peacock. Having support like lumps like Kirke does not help.

I'm not convinced we'll see Delaney though.

He's clearly still not 100% fit and in the 2nd half yesterday there was a couple of times where the trainer/physio was looking at him and he was visually struggling.

Bearing in mind the coach said that the overiding factor for him missing the Quinns game was that they didn't want to risk him on our heavy pitch when he wasn't 100% then will the same be true for this Friday or will it be a case of needs must and he has to play even if not 100%? You run the risk then though that you make it worse and suddenly he's on our long term sick bench with the others.

Could be an interesting and much changed line up on Friday,especially if any combination of Delaney/Webb/Hall are out.

The slight irony is that had Broughton and Gibson still been around they would have been getting plenty of 1st team action.

Like G1 has said i'd leave BJB at Quinns as he's not really a winger/centre. I'd only bring him back if a long term injury to Webb as he is our full back in waiting for the long term future.

Don't know if Coady can cover wing or not but will have to come in to cover if Delaney is out surely?

No. Nor can you ignore McGuire when commenting on Burrow in that case and Burrow was certainly the more industrious and effective of our two halves yesterday, yet your criticism was reserved for Rob. I've stated elsewhere that the lack of attacking options and lack of runners means I am very understand of the struggles the halves are having at the moment.

Why did I make it sound that way? I simply thought Bailey was the pick of the props. I was not disparaging in any way of the other props.

Danny Allan made his Dayboo for Doncaster yesterday.

How did he go?

Alright I think. Started at loose. They still lost though.

That's because I strongly believe that McGuire having a bad game is purely down to the errors he makes, and this down to having all the pressure put on him to create in the game, due to the lack of invention from his partner. Simple as that. If McGuire was playing as a passenger in the game and just moving a pass on, then yes I would complain about both. But he isn't doing that, he is the only man trying to create something, and unfortunately he does not have the resolve to handle that on his own.

Hence why I was complaining about Burrow, who is offering absolute diddly squat at the moment.

Mentioned this on another thread. This is a little out of leftfield but amor has played a lot at centre, I know he has bulked up for the pack! But would love to see him get some game time in the pack or maybe the backs if injuries persist!

So whenever McGuire's gash, it's never his fault? Whenever he spends five seconds doing his little hop skip and jump routine in front of the defensive line it's not because he can't make good reads under pressure, it's because he has no runners? So in short, he's perfect, Sinfield and Burrow are simply holding him back otherwise he'd be right up there with Lockyer and Thurston?

That's revisionist horsesh*t of the highest standard.

Try reading it again Andy, before coming out with the horseh*t yourself. That's nothing like what I said. I actually was making the point that McGuire needs Sinfield.

And yet you managed to make that point without evening mentioning Sinfield, choosing instead to feature the lack of invention coming from "his partner" as the reason why McGuire himself makes errors.

McGuire has never been able to dominate a game like a good half-back should. The excellent form of Burrow and Sinfield for the last six years has masked the deficiencies in his game, but they are coming home to roost now he's under the spotlight much as they do at representative level.

Which, I don't actually dissagree with. Although I would not be quite so harsh, because I think McGuire's game has changed for the better this last 18 months.

And the fact that Sinfield is out, and Burrow is doing diddly squat at the moment, is putting all that pressure on McGuire, hence the errors. But the reason I was not complaining is because at least he is actually trying to create something, and the only one doing it. He isn't just passing on a ball and leaving it for others, or trying a duck and run straight into a tackle. He certainly is not predictable in what he is doing. The lad is just not having the luck.

McGuire simply polarises opinion - you either like him or you hate him and there is no middle ground.

Sinfield and Burrow both have equally as many issues in their game yet as soon as you get an opportunity to kick McGuire you will. It could be argued that McGuire's good play has covered up the problems in Burrows and especially Sinfield's.

Of the three McGuire has added much more to his game than either of the other two - end of.

Don't get sucked in David. You have been much better of late.

You can offer an objective opinion on McGuire without bashing Burrow, just as you can the other way round etc.

You did it today when you commented that Burrow was the better half back on Sunday.

Don't sink to Gotcha's levels.

Aside from the most try assists in the whole team.

Why would Jones-Bishop have to go back into the reserves after those 7 or 8 games on the wing? You can't possibly know that can you?

Perhaps he will still be needed to cover other outside backs, perhaps he will have earned his place during the extended run, perhaps if and when he is outside the seventeen required he can still go back out on loan.

Jones-Bishop is a contracted Leeds player. If he is needed by Leeds (with Donald, Watkins, Delaney, Hall, Webb unavailable/carrying injuries) then he should be recalled.

Far be it for me to defend Gareth's post, but I don't think that's exactly what he is saying.

BJB is a fullback and a good prospect for us. The only way he can develop to prove himself in that role is playing fullback in super league, which he is doing right now.

Why bring him back to play out of position on the wing? when we have others who could step in temporarily to to that.

If Webb goes down for a few weeks, then is the time to bring BJB back. Or who knows what will happen with a new coach at quins? If he is not getting the game time then, also bring him back.

I am grateful for Gotcha bringing some clarity to the point I was making and I still maintain that a season at fullback will be more benefit to BJB and us than him being here right now.

It all depends on the alternatives available to Leeds in the outside backs and whether they are better options than Jones-Bishop.

Further to the Lauitiiti enquiry.

He's been [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1667cleared[/url with the sin bin being sufficent punishment. Unlike Andy Raleigh, who is off to [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1666Red Hall[/url for tea, biccies and a slap on the wrist more than likely.

Isn't this "Leeds greatest ever squad" any more?

Surely there should be enough players to cope within Leeds "Greatest ever squad"?

As I stated on another thread, should have been straight red for Raleigh and it appears the RFL panel has agreed with me on viewing the incident.

My opinion pre season was that Hetherington had given coach McClennan the best squad seen at Leeds since 2004. I'm not sure you expressed an opinion at the time on the subject.



My opinion pre season was that Hetherington had given coach McClennan the best squad seen at Leeds since 2004. As most squads are built with a numerical bias in favour of the forwards a glut of injuries in the outside backs (a comparitive rarity) can still expose a squad (even the best squad assembled since 2004) especially if a first grade player is left out on loan and not recalled when injuries mount and players take to the field when clearly carrying knocks that probably require a rest.