My bad Marty, I wasn't aware.

On the basis of this game tonight leeds are nailed on to finish bottom, London and KR are way ahead of leeds.

Hes absolutely spot on

Jesus we thought we were bad. This Hull KR and London teams look below championship standard. Two poor sides.

London certainly look better than us. One thing is for certain, Danny Ward has done a great job, his team have a work ethic, desire and determination I’ve not seen from Leeds yet this season. Even if London are relegated I’d give coach of the year to Ward.

Better than leeds I'd say, in desire and in the halves even if nothing else. They both move the ball far better.

Really? I think they look terrible. Both teams. I would back us to beat these teams 9 tines out of 10 every time.

Well we have already lost at home to London and stuffed at KR not sure i would share your confidence.

And beat them both. I did say 9 from 10.

Its been an entertaining game but the standard is embarrassing.

Coach of the year Ward. By a mile

Completely disagree thought it was an excellent game. Really enjoyed it.

Super League has never had such great competition at the bottom of the league.

Superb battles, every game important. Great for the sport.

Get your head out of the sand, we are no better than London and Hull kr this year and certainly can’t match their commitment and desire to win.

But you predicted us to win the competition about 6 weeks ago!

I didn’t, I said if we won we’d still be in with a chance of a playoff spot. Anyone in the playoffs can win the competition, we’ve shown that in the past. London by the way are now 4 points from the playoffs.

I don't buy the 9 out of 10 scenario either. Our lack of a decent halfback is the worst problem of all to have. Without control when the pressure is on we're far more likely to panic as a unit than if we had someone taking charge on the field. We'll also continue to lose games like Wigan where we might be doing Ok in terms of field position but our complete lack of kicking game and inability to set up tries/maintain pressure through a good kicking game.

Our defence has improved in the sense we're not letting teams just push over from acting half, but Wakefield in the mud apart we're still letting in too many points as well. For our defence to win games we need to up that a level as well.

Everything you say is correct Brisbane but we could have Wally Lewis and Peter Sterling as half backs but if they stand at 1st receiver with the greatest play in RL history ready to go and Dwyer runs off 20 yards sideways right past them like a headless chicken it is no use at all.

The halves are getting plenty of stick on here and I totally agree with everyone that they are not good enough but they have no idea if or when they are going to get the ball and that makes a halves job absolutely impossible.

Hastings Maloney Gale will be no good for Leeds until we sign a top class number 9 to give them the ball when and where they need it.

I know what you're saying, but a class halfback would demand the ball from the hooker, not just stand around like a kid in U9s waiting to get the pass. I doubt any of our existing halfbacks have the confidence to scream for the ball and yell at the hooker if needs be. Most of the time they look like they'd rather anyone else take the ball at first receiver.

You think Dwyer would listen? Hes the rugby brain of a small rodent mate. Demand all you like but the headless chicken would do his own thing.

They have kicking games we can only dream of. Would not back us in a relegation decider against either right now.

Against Wigan, Myler has plenty of chances to put decent last plays on and totally fluffed it. Sutcliffe also blew a few chances to build pressure.

I agree that the interaction with dummy half needs to be better too, but I’m certain we’re losing critical games that we would win with better half backs.

Was it Myler or Sutcliffe who kicked it into the middle row of the north stand on the last tackle near the end against Wigan? Under no pressure any decent half would have been putting it on a sixpence for his winger.That sums up the level we are dealing with at the minute simply far from good enough.

This is how bad our season has been. We are now shiffting the blame to anyone whos shoulders are wide enough. I agree that Dwyer is not a top class hooker but to blame him for our current and future halfback woes is laughable.

I am not so sure he is actually blaming it on Dwyer, but more saying it is a contributory factor. He is right on the hooker though, however it is also fully correct to say that top halfs would be dominating regardless. I would spin round his original point and say it wouldn't matter if we had Danny Buderas back, or brought in Cameron Smith, as our current halfs would still produce the same poop regardless. But to make everything right, we do need an hooker with the halfs.

Cameron Smith often goes to first receiver to make plays. He's the one hooker who'd make a massive difference on his own.