FINALLY we see McDermott getting just as peed off as us fans. COINCIDENCE that senior/golden generation/leaders of this Leeds team are the ones that will not be blamed? McDermott is scared of falling out of favour at Leeds. Big individuals in the side that he needs to keep onside, that is why he has never publically critised and voiced his frustrations at them. But as soon as they are out of the side, we see him doing just that.


I'm annoyed & embarrassed. But just think on Saturday at 5pm all will be forgotten.

I care. I wasted a day and a boat load of money going to watch the team i support capitulate without even a whimper. Perhaps they should come out and tell us fans that they dont give a toss about certain matches so we can avoid wasting our money going to support them?

Well, he can't criticize the senior players when none of them were playing. He could have criticized himself for not playing any of them so there was no leadership on the field (just playing JJB, who's had hardly any rugby this year, would probably be enough to seal the win). Or he could have criticized himself for building a club that has no structures or relies entirely on individual play to get through a game. The reason Wigan can bring their kids in and look fine is not because their kids are better, it's because they're fitting those kids into a jigsaw they already know how to make.

There is a big difference in fitness between Premiership and championship players in terms of fitness.

Quite right Sal. You can forgive the debut boys as they need time and you must expect a few errors however certain of the more experienced players obviously took their foot off the gas which was the problem. There was enough experience to defend our big lead and the kickers should have gone for field position and close down the game. We must look to learn from this and turn it into a positive to motivate a strong run in for a top spot.

Also had we not been in the final it is likely that this game would have been chosen to rest key players and blood youngsters before the big end of season matches in any case.

To compare a RL player to a baseball player is bizarre. The physical demands are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

To quote the ex-RL-players among you 'how do you know what is like if you have never played'? Every sport has a different kind of physicality but regardless of what sort it is, as a player of the sport you have to be able to match the physical requirements. The likes of Djokovic or Murray might struggle to recover from playing a RL game to then play the following week, but then they are tennis players. They run around for about between 90 mins and 4 hours almost every other day for as long as they are in a tournament and play dozens of tournaments through the year. If they can't hack playing back-to-back tournaments then after a while they have to question their ability to do the sport as (to get anywhere in it) it is required of them.

A rugby league player who needs 5 days to recover from the physical game should consider his ability to play the game - unfortunately it IS a physical game. He either gets fitter, bigger and stronger or if it is too knackering, maybe he should look at something he is more physically able to do.

If I played an RL game, I'd probably end up in hospital for a week. Therefore I don't play rugby league. Instead I play football, run, cycle and play baseball as my body is able to manage with what is required of it to do those things. If I start getting dicky knees for a few days after running or cycling long distances, eventually I will have to reconsider if they are the best activities for me and find something else.

I think there are a lot of good, able rugby league players. There are a lot of average players too. Maybe this is a cross-over period where the overall standard is improving and it is just that whereas some are physically able to take and recover from the big hits, others are not yet there and need several days afterwards to recover. In future, maybe it will be different.

Most RL players take 5 days to recover from games these days. It's what's expected and is built into the training schedule each week.
Why do you think coaches moan when they only get 4 or 5 days between games.

One thing that appears to have been overlooked in all this is that we played yesterday (Sunday) when Cas who also rested players had their game on Friday. So 2 full days less for our guys to recover & they had to endure a trip down to London (4/5 hours each way on a coach) compared to a 3 hour round trip to Warrington.
None of which helps those who paid good money to watch I agree but surely mitigation for the coach's selections?

so which of our remaining games are we going to breeze through? we are in a real danger. cas always raise their game to get one over us as its their "cup final" this actually is a blooming cup final! it wont be as easy as some are saying.
as for the league, the 4 points weve dropped are crucial. we need to win our last three to stay in the top 4 let alone top spot, which we should be competing for! now we will be lucky to finish top 4 considering who we play...
but i guess youre one of the "we can win it from anywhere" brigade where i am being realistic, not pessamistic!

Each year we're in real danger of winning nothing. Every club is. That's sport. We are, however, one of only a few clubs who stand a realistic chance of winning something each year.

i actually think i prefer SLFans to this place... at least on that board you expect idiots and that.
ofc all teams have that, but my point youve decidied to be petty about, is still true. by the high standards the team set this year we shouldnt be dropping points against bulls and london.

Indeed. And we are one of only two clubs who can win both competitions this season.

I seriously don't know sometimes why some people bother 'supporting' this club. It's embarrassing the negativity from some.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. I also think that the quality of some of the younger Leeds players attempting to come through and the fringe players is not as good as it could be - with exceptions obviously. Our structure - particularly with the ball - is non existent. We rely very heavily on Sinny and McGuire organising and Peacock's strength of will up the middle. We also need Carl Ablett to have a good game as well. Having said that, 22 points up with 30 minutes left against the bottom (winless ) London should have been game over. Inexplicable and a very, very bad result. I thought the Wakey result was awful, the Bradford result was very poor, but this one is the worst result of the season.

Only positive is that I think it will have absolutely no bearing on the game on Saturday. However, come playoff time it could be catastrophic to have dropped these 6 league points because you know, win or lose at the weekend, the way our team is mentally placed at the moment you can probably kiss the Wigan and Saints games goodbye as well.

Like it or not and i don't like the last two league defeats Mac will be judged on what he wins , one thing for sure he has made the super league crown alot harder to win now so lets hope Saturday is celebration time

real danger of winning nothing , bloody hell. Wakefield, Bradford, London, Hull, will win nothing and not for the first time. Hkr Widnes, Cats, Salford, Hudders, will probably win nothing. Cas Leeds Wigan St Hel. Warr, may well win something, While from the may well bunch Cas and Leeds have a better chance than most of winning something. Just what do you expect . I hope you win at Wembley because your players deserve to have a medal, not just from the C C final but for having to put up with some of the comments so called supporters make. GET A GRIP.

why are you not allowed to be upset with a teams performance on here? why all the grief because im ed over us dropping points against teams we shouldnt? honest question, why am i not allowed to be upset on here?

You are pal its the ones who think Mac has done nothing wrong who have the problem

it seems that there are too groups of leeds fans. the ones who that believe "we can win it from 5th" and the "negative" lot who actually think we need to put our backs into games to win...
the arogance of those in the blue and amber glasses is shocking. london havent won all season, until they met the best leeds squad ever... what does that tell yo about the squad?

What you should be giving RESPECT to at all times is the opposition. It takes two teams to make a game.

Glory Seeking Arrogant Myopic Fans should go watch Wigan IMHO

You dont buy a season ticket to demand victory every time. You pay to watch a game which always consists of 2 teams. HTH.

Well said.

Well Said.

I am begining to think that next season we should play in Cherry and White

This is very true - you don't pay expecting to win every week. I'd say what you do pay for is to see 2 teams giving 100% - whether they win or lose is a secondary requirement. I'd suspect right now there will be a higher proportion of satisfied Bradford and London fans than Leeds fans. Why? Because their effort over the last few weeks (London's, commendably in many of the games all season long, despite being trounced usually) has been 100%.

If Leeds' team was as bad as London's but we gave 100% each week and I could see we were, I wouldn't go as mental as I have over our last 2 losses. I have gone mental because in most games since May I have not felt that the performance has been 100% - Saints and Warrington aside in the two CC games.

I don't turn up 'expecting to win' and complain when we don't, I turn up expecting committed performances and complain when I don't see them. I have watched the U19's a couple of times recently and many of them weren't brilliant (as highlighted by those who went yesterday) but I have overall been more impressed as to me it has seemed that they have given more effort than several of the first team have for the last 3 months.

Its embarrassing as hell losing to London. It also was embarrassing losing to Bradford, but on the following Saturday did I give two $h!ts? Nope, and that is all that is in my mind at the moment.

As for the LLS, yea I wanted to win it. But lets face it we laughed at the Huddersfield fans claiming a 'big scalp' last year, no one remembers the LLS. And we still have it in our own hands to finish in the top 4. Saints may even lose all their remaining games too.