Mclennan said after the game he didn't use Worrall as he wanted to keep his gamebreakers on the field to try and get us back into it. IMO this points to the fact Mclennan doesn't think Worrall is good enough to make a difference and points to a lack of depth of quality in the back row.

I didn't actually hear the comments about Worral, but there is a big difference between keeping game breakers on, and not experienced enough to play. Either was it seems like a bad game plan. We should try to spell our players so that we can have the game breakers on the field at the end if needed, maybe having more faith in someone like Worral to do a job earlier in the game would mean that the gamebreakers were in a better way late on.

Yes, Eddie asked him why Worral wasn't used and that was his reply. It was alarming imo. A real worry going into the playoffs. Suppose it depends on the Kirke and Bailey situations.

I'm guessing if it did those two positions would be reversed.

That's garbage frankly.

Gibson must have 20+ games under his belt by now. How many games did Ratu have under his belt?

Why hadn't he played Worrall earlier leaving his "game-breakers" that bit fresher towards then end of the game?

If he has no faith in Worrall why not select Watkins or Gibson on the bench allowing him to put Senior into the 2nd row as he's done many times this season?

It was plain dumb to select a player in the 17 and then fail to get him on the field in a game like that, however he wants to dress it up.

Yes agreed fella. I found it bizarre his reasoning..

Many times?

Perhaps the Senior move into the pack has been declared ineffective for now?

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Is it a coincidence that in the next game he's off the boil?

In addition his winger Hall was quieter than usual (V Hull KR), another coincidence or evidence that Leeds should leave their left side alone?

JJB and McGuire should be fined for Friday night.

School boy penalties on more then 1 occasion, needs to be addressed and it needs sorting quickly!!!

I've seen better discipline at an under-10's game then Friday from Leeds!

After Senior had made a couple of errors we didn't seem to use him as much as in previous games. (

I can't get over the 2 penalties we conceded at the play the ball, tackled player gets done for striking out....! not seen in it in any game all season. I mean Cunningham punched a player against wakey and that never got picked up.
A bit like the Brent Webb no try at Bradford, not seen that call again..

the VR looked at it and decided there was nothing in it. the RFL looked at it and gave him a caution. like you i think he was a very lucky boy on both counts

The Cunnigham thing just looked bad to me...
The penalties we gave away on friday didn't look bad....
They were bad...

The smithy one was ridiculous imo especially as tompkins was still grabbing his collar as he's trying to play the ball.

It stinks to me of, we have no trust in the ref's to do there job..
Not a healthy view, as an action from the team causes a re action from the official... And the penalty count suddenly looks lop sided...

oh and yes I agree the Smith one is gauling..
But look at the sinfield one earlier in the game..
How could he get his arm free..?
Yet Tompkins(I think?) never struck out he trusted the ref to do his job... got the penalty...

Your Discipline is abit poor of late - and against wigan it proved to be a conributing factor in your defeat, aswell as the goons playing well.

JJB and sinfield's answering back to the Ref is beyond a joke.

Have you seen an instance where it should have been called since?

I said at the time we might not see another instance this season and so far I haven't and this despite some posters (such as DISA) saying there were ones missed in every game.

Not in profesional rugby, or tele, or at headingley..
But I give credit to smith for seeing it at all...
The real question you should ask is, how many times should that call have been made in the season so far and how many times as it actually been then made.....
I don't think I'll see another...

From what I've seen and heard it should have been called once this season and so far it's been called once this season. Is that a problem?




Another instance or another penalty?

If it very rarely happens then it'll equally be very rarely penalised.

I would guess that its more to do with a ref not being certain enough in most instances to rule a no try, or give a pen, when its one of the last of several things he has to look for at the breakdown. With the luxury of the VR, if the ref has a feeling about it he can ask to check.

But you're still missing the point. The circumstance of a player being stood offside at a play the ball and being involved in the next play is extremely rare.

Has anyone come up with another instance of this happening in any game this season?

I said at the time it possibly wouldn't happen again this season whether the referee detects it or not.

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Not sure. I don't think I would notice it if the ref didn't ping it. Not sure the ref would notice it as he has to patrol the 10m, the ruck, the play the ball.

There are also a number of occassions when it is possible, such as from breaks on the play after a kick return,

I would and so would you.



Read the other thread, it's all covered in there at length and we're really not going to go through it all again, are we?

Besides which as a rule it hardly ever happens anyway. The Webb one at Odsal could yet prove to be unique for this season.

No tvoc it ain't a problem to me its history.
The point I was in a round about way making was, well done to smith for seeing it, however don't miss the next one.
And the other thing you asked was quite obviously about that penalty too.

If it never happens again they'll be no need to award the penalty.

No-one has yet been able to point to another instance of it happening this season and that despite some stating that it happens every week when we were originally discussing the incident at Easter.