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| Quote ="rhinoms"A bang to the knee and he was getting iced up and will re-assessed on Monday Bluey said after the game that JP said he "was fine" but he would say that!'"
It looked like a nothing incident. That's what has me worried.
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| Quote ="DHM"It looked like a nothing incident. That's what has me worried.'"
Yeah the way he grimaced and was carried off didn't lok good doubt very much he'll play next week but hopefully be ready for Wembley.
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| Quote ="DHM"Sorry it doesn't happen every game. And the reason it doesn't happen every game is because it's a really stupid way to "tackle" people. '"
Go find this weeks NRL coverage and there will be lots of hits exactly the same. Did you watch Warrington versus Leeds last season, where Adrian Morley put a massive shoulder charge in on Ryan Hall? Exactly the same kind of challenge but just because Hall got up without injury no one said anything except applaud Morley for the hit. Today we simply saw an accident that thankfully doesn't happen too often. The tackle technique is used often and will continue to be used week in week out. Maybe now you'll keep an eye out for it and spot that it does happen lots and isn't a stupid way to tackle.
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| Quote ="DHM"Sorry it doesn't happen every game. And the reason it doesn't happen every game is because it's a really stupid way to "tackle" people. Walker ran full pelt at Burgess and just collided with him. He made no attempt to set himself for contact in any way. Walker was very, very lucky he didn't get seriously injured as well. In the end, a really dumb ass "tackling" attempt has seriously injured a player. His coach should have words with him because if he does that every game he'll last about another game before he gets stretchered to hospital himself.
I'm not saying it was malicious and I'm not saying it was intentional or deserves review, but FFS, it was stupid . Walker could have ended his career as well as that of Burgess. He didn't even use his shoulder properly.'"
bang on, it was reckless, full stop.
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| Quote ="marshman"Go find this weeks NRL coverage and there will be lots of hits exactly the same. Did you watch Warrington versus Leeds last season, where Adrian Morley put a massive shoulder charge in on Ryan Hall? Exactly the same kind of challenge but just because Hall got up without injury no one said anything except applaud Morley for the hit. Today we simply saw an accident that thankfully doesn't happen too often. The tackle technique is used often and will continue to be used week in week out. Maybe now you'll keep an eye out for it and spot that it does happen lots and isn't a stupid way to tackle.'"
it was hsoulder to shoulder and controlled, he didn't run full pelt into him with no control.
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| Quote ="marshman"Go find this weeks NRL coverage and there will be lots of hits exactly the same. Did you watch Warrington versus Leeds last season, where Adrian Morley put a massive shoulder charge in on Ryan Hall? Exactly the same kind of challenge but just because Hall got up without injury no one said anything except applaud Morley for the hit. Today we simply saw an accident that thankfully doesn't happen too often. The tackle technique is used often and will continue to be used week in week out. Maybe now you'll keep an eye out for it and spot that it does happen lots and isn't a stupid way to tackle.'"
No there aren't. You need to be able to tell the difference between a guy going into a shoulder charge with control and a dip just running full speed into someone. Either of those players could have been badly hurt, as it was it was Burgess. Poor technique, poor control, bad outcome.
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| Quote ="Cat #2"it was hsoulder to shoulder and controlled, he didn't run full pelt into him with no control.'"
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Apologies if I misinterpreted what you were saying, but it seemed that you were implying it should be illegal, or it was in other codes. I was saying that it was an accidental clash of heads in a collision, and there's no way that should be illegal, or that outlawing a shoulder charge will prevent clashing of heads.
It's like saying you shouldn't be able to tackle from behind if you're the second man in because you could break somebody's trailing leg - just as Richard Owen found out in the third game of the season - ending his season and putting a highly promising career off the rails for a few years.
It's just one of those things that happens in a heavy contact sport, it's all dangerous - and that's part of its charm.'"
You're wasting your time mate. The guy wasent complaining last year when Bailey broke Faasavalus nose, that was the greatest hit ever made at the time.
Just unlucky for Luke and it's a shame for him but Leeds wont miss him, he isent good enough and needs to spend less time on Twitter.
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"Credit to vast majority of Cas fans who applauded Luke off the pitch.
Never doubted that they would do otherwise.'"
Quote ="binks"We did nothing different to any other set of RL fans, Thats what makes our game so good! Respect for the blokes who entertain us'"
I'm sorry but were any of you at the game tonight. Ive come home, pardon my french but like the rest of the stranger leeds fans around me, I was seething with the cas fans. OK Biffer got smacked and he went down and there was a cheer, we all do it as you'd think it was a big hit. When a lad stays down though and the medical team rush on you think of the worse. Now what did the case fans do? Yes they started chanting the name of the lad who hit him. While still down they then went on to sing "senior is a ". finally after much time as Biffer was carried off the so called RL fans in the cas end behind the stick appluaded him. I dont say the C or the T swear words much but I did tonight. When a lad is out cold and this happens it makes me think I'd rather see wakey stay up and these mindless cretins be rid of for good. scum is too good a word to use on this lot tonight, it spoilt what should have been a very good evening.
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| Quote ="DHM"No there aren't. You need to be able to tell the difference between a guy going into a shoulder charge with control and a dip just running full speed into someone. Either of those players could have been badly hurt, as it was it was Burgess. Poor technique, poor control, bad outcome.'"
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| seems a certain few words were edited. suffice to say the match comissioner who is a family friend has reported it with high priority as it was yet another "blip" for cas
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| Quote ="bewildered"seems a certain few words were edited. suffice to say the match comissioner who is a family friend has reported it with high priority as it was yet another "blip" for cas'"
Anyway, get well soon Luke from all the Cas fans.
Meanwhile some plonkers want to start and drift wildly onto something really stupid. Good luck with that kid, i'm off to bed.
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| its in the match report, i cant go further than that. looks good for an SL license though
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| Quote ="bewildered" While still down they then went on to sing "senior is a nice person".'"
They sang "do it to Senior", to which he turned around waved and pretended he was in stitches laughing. And yes, I was at the game.
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| oh and thats better then? well done lads
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| Quote ="bewildered"seems a certain few words were edited. suffice to say the match comissioner who is a family friend has reported it with high priority as it was yet another "blip" for cas'"
What? Singing?
There was nothing wrong with the songs whatsoever.
However, I do wish Luke all the best. I hope he makes a quick and full recovery. He's a good kid and he belongs on the paddock.
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| so you condone what was done?
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| I am no doctor but that is a broken jaw! Thats how it goes in RL, am sure McGuire & Sinfield can give him some words of encouragement regarding missing out of CC final.
Didn't like the young kid who put shot on jumping about after he dropped him, getting beat by 32, 2 mins left???????? But guess he is young and will learn that the game is hard enough without resorting to WWF showboating....... What goes around comes around.
Unlucky Biffa, lets hope Kobe do protein shakes for next few weeks............
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| Quote ="bewildered"oh and thats better then? well done lads'"
It was banter and jokes. I'm sure even the most ardent fan wouldn't seriously wish any injury on a player. There was some stuff I did disagree with tonight and in the past with Cas fans and although they should have stopped singing when it was clear it was more than serious, the content is not serious enough to warrant a fine. Otherwise it really WOULD open a can of worms.
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| Quote ="bewildered"so you condone what was done?'"
My question to you, would be, have you heard worse on the terraces? Because, trust me, I have. Like I said in my previous post. There were some embarrassing comments made by the Cas fans and I am fast losing my patience with the minority who WILL cost the club fines if they continue on.
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| Quote ="Fully"It was banter and jokes. I'm sure even the most ardent fan wouldn't seriously wish any injury on a player. There was some stuff I did disagree with tonight and in the past with Cas fans and although they should have stopped singing when it was clear it was more than serious, the content is not serious enough to warrant a fine. Otherwise it really WOULD open a can of worms.'"
no and from what you write normally I would suggest you are the kind that wouldnt wish that. the point is after he was down for nearly a minute the chant occured. had it been instand or nearly instant no one would bat an eyelid, the fact it took so long is the sticking point. Bad choice and there were a lot of ed of people around us and even people who hate leeds (hull kr fans and saints fans) have raised an issue over what they heard
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| Get well soon fella, that looks like surgery and a season ender, not good. Hope JP is back though, even for a Wire i wouldn't want him to miss a big day out in Wembley.
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| Oh, yes, don't get me wrong the timing is the issue and perhaps to an extent the seriousness of the injury has affected your view. However, had it been a normal tackle and the player got up, made a full recovery and it had been sang, would you hold the same point of view? Probably not.
Like I said, I've heard worse and probably will continue to do so. The question is now, are people becoming too petty? You're going to have start penalising every club for every player directed chant they come out with.
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| Quote ="Fully"My question to you, would be, have you heard worse on the terraces? Because, trust me, I have. Like I said in my previous post. There were some embarrassing comments made by the Cas fans and I am fast losing my patience with the minority who WILL cost the club fines if they continue on.'"
ive seen people call lack people w0gs and asian people c00ns. ive seen it and if i saw it tomorrow i'd still be just as shocked and disgusted as i was at that moment in time (im sorry for those vile words, but one instance was my uncle who was targeted so i feel vilified to use the comment). the fact is you dont have to see the worst before, its what happened now. still way of the mark tonight and bang out of order
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| Quote ="bewildered"ive seen people call lack people w0gs and asian people c00ns. ive seen it and if i saw it tomorrow i'd still be just as shocked and disgusted as i was at that moment in time (im sorry for those vile words, but one instance was my uncle who was targeted so i feel vilified to use the comment). the fact is you dont have to see the worst before, its what happened now. still way of the mark tonight and bang out of order'"
I concur. However, it does matter. Because if you've heard worse in the past that has gone unpenalised and you will probably hear worse in the future go unpenalised, why should this be made an example of?
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