Funny you should say that, I was sat here thinking that Hull would have murdered both Salford and Wigan based on today's game.

now its all over, the pie eaters win with 12 men for 60 minutes of the game too !

name me a player who hasn't dropped the ball in a bad position

Keinhorst the well known pacey winger with and Lilley "the snail". Wow we'll rip top 8 teams apart with that combination.
Our wheels have fallen off big time, it's going to be one hell of a last 8 weeks.

The wheels haven't fallen off, it's one loss FFS against a team that's beaten us, Cas, Saints, Wigan and Warrington in the last 18 months in the cup.

Same garbage was written after every Cas loss this year but yet we're 2nd.

4 big games season. 3 v cas and yesterday. won 0 lost 4.
can we turn it around? yes but it will be the most impressive GF win ever should we do it
to many weak areas for me

On your own line? on the first tackle? In the last seconds of a play-off game?

and that one thing makes him a bad player?

makes him human to me.

dropping all 8 kicks yesterday makes him a player shot of confidence.

Its strange the amount of excuses people are prepared to make for Briscoe compared to say Sutcliffe, or Lilley, or Mcdermott.

As good as Hull were we still have a good record against them so facing them in the playoffs is nothing to be worried about despite yesterday.

And yes Cas look much better than us. In 2011 &!2012 Warrington looked MILES better than us and we knocked them out come playoff time. Thrashings st their ground and a Wembley beating spring to mind?

I still wouldn't fear anyone were we in the play offs. I do think its key we nail down second though, really important we bounce back thursday

I replied to your post about his dropping the ball v Catalan. I think he's shot and shouldn't play again. nowhere did I make excuses.
I said one error doesn't make a bad player

I think Friday is must win. lose and confidence will take a massive hit after yesterday

I remember Diskin dropping the ball in the 2001 Challge cup semi final, I think against Saints, over at a Wigan. Think we lost by one score, and it was on near the end, and he dropped the ball. Didn't write him off.

It appeared to me that A decision was made at half time for Briscoe not to compete for the high ball in the second half. This could have worked for kicks landing 5 metres or further from the try line, however Sneyd kicks seemed to be coming down nearer the line than in first half. In particular the one which led to talanoa knocking the ball back for the 2nd half try had to competed for and/or if not other Leeds players had to be there to pick up the pieces. Neither happened.

Watched a few highlights of 11 and 12 GF's and in both BJB spilt high balls. One led directly to Myler scoring for wire.

briscoe is clearly in trouble but it's a thankless task and as others have said he gets little help and kick pressure was virtually nil. To me We often appear to be short of a right second row when defending. Ultimately though for mine we could not handle their superior pack and that is where game was lost. Plus agree with others the 2 tries they scored in last 5 mins of first half swung the game away from Leeds.

Fully aware Briscoe has struggled dealing with kicks for months, however Hull RW was out jumped by hall for one try, could not prevent a second from Watkins kick and knocked ball on behind line under no pressure from excellent moon kick. As Hull head to Wembley though, I doubt he is getting any stick from hull fans.

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That is one thing to be fair, Fonua was as disappointing as Briscoe first half and as costly to his teams chances. He didn't have the same threat against 2nd half due to forwards who wanted it more.

I wasnt necessarily meaning you. I just think that Briscoe has had some real stinkers and got nowhere near justifying his signing but he doesnt come in for half the stick the likes of Sutcliffe, lilley and McDermott do.

Im comfortable applying a different standard to a young player in his first season for the club and an experienced international big money signing.

Don't be coming on here with rational plans like that! We've got a player to hang out to dry!

Come on im not here to hang any player out to dry but Briscoe was easy meat and any team's half could have targeted him yesterday with a basic kicking game.

Truth is his coach should have seen this and taken action after the first big warning when we got away with the no try when he dropped a dolly, i actually feel for Briscoe he has issues and continuing with him in hope is not helping anyone.

He should have caught the first one he bombed. The alarm bells start ringing. Then in the second half Briscoe was a passenger. I wonder if he was told not to contest 50/50's with Talanoa in the second half? We could have tried something different, maybe stick Watkins on the wing and put Ward at centre? Or swap Briscoe and Watkins? But no, we continued to invite them to stick to their game plan.

Tell that to the fans

you mean the hull fans on this thread who agreed? only you that says different

I still love Tom.

How do re-build his confidence?