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| Quote ="finglas"The union side is still owned by Leeds Rugby limited which own both Carnegie and the Rhinos. I assumed Caddick still owned majority of shares in LRL but I could be wrong.'"
I thought Leeds Rugby no longer owned the Union side? they just have a licence and tenancy agreement with them. New management companies owns the Union?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I thought Leeds Rugby no longer owned the Union side? they just have a licence and tenancy agreement with them. New management companies owns the Union?
Maybe I just misread previously, but sure that was what it said.'"
Just spotted this on the Sinfield announcement.
Yorkshire Carnegie Rugby Union club play in the second tier of English club rugby, the Greene King IPA Championship. They are currently sixth in the table, six points off a play off place with three games, and a maximum of fifteen points, to play for. Ownership of the former club Leeds Carnegie was transferred from Leeds CF&A Co Ltd, to a group of new owners on 23rd December 2014, called Yorkshire Tykes Ltd. That company now wholly owns Yorkshire Carnegie and has a ten year service agreement with Leeds CF&A Co Ltd for the use of Headingley Carnegie Stadium, the Leeds Rugby Academy at Kirkstall and certain management services such as retail, ticketing, marketing, medical and commercial revenue generation.
So I think I am correct about Leeds Rugby not owning, and pretty sure Caddick wasn't part of the Yorkshire Tykes Ltd, but Hetherington was. |
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Listening to Sinfield saying he hopes to be involved at some point over Easter it looks like he may not be playing Good Friday.I wonder if he's only going be played occasionally for rest of season
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He has been playing below his high standards and TBH I thought it was down to fitness. Judging by this horrible weight he's been carrying around with him, knowing he is in his final year at Leeds has probably done him no favours either.
As Peacock mentions in his book a la the Bulls 2005, now that futures are sorted and the decks have been cleared, it really is time to push on and send these two legends out with a bang and as much silverwear as they can carry.
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I don't really understand his decision to move to RU though clearly it is about time to retire at 34.
He could have easily gone somewhere like Wakefield and still been the king in a team with no superstars but I guess the financial prospects are better at YC.
What I do hope though, is that part of the deal is that he stays around teh Headingley club and will come back in as a coach or other role in Rugby League (presumably with Leeds)
If he is lost to the game in his twilight playing years it's just a bit irritating, but if he is lost to the game, and more so, excels in the other code, it is a travesty.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't really understand his decision to move to RU though clearly it is about time to retire at 34.
He could have easily gone somewhere like Wakefield and still been the king in a team with no superstars but I guess the financial prospects are better at YC.
What I do hope though, is that part of the deal is that he stays around teh Headingley club and will come back in as a coach or other role in Rugby League (presumably with Leeds)
If he is lost to the game in his twilight playing years it's just a bit irritating, but if he is lost to the game, and more so, excels in the other code, it is a travesty.'"
People keep mentioning about how he's going to make a nice little earner from his spell in RU....but it's not like he's going to Saracens or Bath, it's Carnegie in the 2nd tier. Can't imagine he's on a wage massively different to his Rhinos one.
In an extended story in today's YEP, he said he would've stayed at the Rhinos for the 2016 season had Carnegie not been interested so it wasn't like he was going to leave for any other club. If you think about that he's remained living in Oldham throughout his Leeds career and that apart from Sale and Leeds they really isn't any other RU oppptunities in a realistic geographical location for a guy whose has never felt the need/urge to locate nearer the club he played for for nearly 20 years, then it's unlikely he'd commit to a team down south for just 18 month.
I think he's also smart enough to know that at his age, Premiership RU clubs wouldn't be too keen on taking him as he only has a short while left and no RU experience.....by the time he's getting the hang of it it'll be retirement time. |
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I don't think it's anything to do with money to be honest. I'd be suprised if he's on any more at Carnegie than at the Rhinos. I reckon he realised his body isn't managing to keep going at the top level of SL anymore, hence the retirement from internationals and move from loose forward to stand off. A bit like Peacock taking on a new challenge at Hull KR, I think Sinfield sees giving Union a go as a new challenge yet can still stay affiliated with the club he loves.
Just as a bit of backup to that I looked up his tackling stats, they're ridiculous.
He's been in Leeds top 5 tacklers every year since 2003 (that's as far back as the stats go) except 2006.
He was Leeds top tackler in 2003, 2007, 2008 & 2009.
And since 2007 has been Leeds 2nd top tackler.
#of tackles 2007-2014:
Peacock - 5,218
Sinfield - 5,152
JJB - 4,667
Ablett - 3,986
It's no wonder he signed for Union, the lad needs a rest.
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I'd be surprised if he'd be on as much at Carnegie as he is at the Rhinos.
Not sure how much Carnegie spend on player wages, but I'd be surprised if there's anyone in their squad pulling in more than £100k a year.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I'd be surprised if he'd be on as much at Carnegie as he is at the Rhinos.
Not sure how much Carnegie spend on player wages, but I'd be surprised if there's anyone in their squad pulling in more than £100k a year.'"
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"Until now?'"
No idea what Sinfield's contract is worth either currently or in the future.
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For some people money is not everything.
Sinfield is definitely one of those.
Not that he's exactly on his uppers.
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Does anyone know what salary cap Championship clubs operate with? BTW in no way was I suggesting that Sir Kev was only in it for the money. But I am interested to know how rich RU in the second tier is compared to SL
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It's a very clever move. He has never denied he would like the opportunity to play union and realises this will possibly extend his playing career by a couple of seasons. Carnegie are seemingly having something of a re-birth so what better player to lead the charge. I have always thought he would make a great union fly half because of his natural strengths (kicking & organisation). What's more he can tackle! Plus, I'm sure with Sinny in the side even some of the die hard 'leaguers' like us would consider going to watch them.
One thing that has surprised me (although I suppose it shouldn't) is the amount of media attention this move has had, once again showing the union bias. He hasn't even gone yet! Imagine if he had signed for Fev!?
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work with an ex leeds player who said kev is very smart, a real clever guy, who has probably seen where Edwards and Farrell have got and possibly is looking at the same route. he always thought well ahead
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"Does anyone know what salary cap Championship clubs operate with? BTW in no way was I suggesting that Sir Kev was only in it for the money. But I am interested to know how rich RU in the second tier is compared to SL'"
I want to say it's 2.5m, something only Bristol and Worcester come close to spending.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"Does anyone know what salary cap Championship clubs operate with? BTW in no way was I suggesting that Sir Kev was only in it for the money. But I am interested to know how rich RU in the second tier is compared to SL'"
Certainly up to two or three years ago there wasn't a salary cap in the second tier. Don't know whether that has changed recently. |
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Last I heard the RFU funding for the championship was £359k
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| Quote ="tad rhino"work with an ex leeds player who said kev is very smart, a real clever guy, who has probably seen where Edwards and Farrell have got and possibly is looking at the same route. he always thought well ahead'"
Those were my thoughts exactly.... The man is very astute and a cut above the average RL brain. I wish him every success in gratitude for what he has brought to the club and the game. A legend in the mould of John Holmes if not - dare i say it - greater. Impeccable standards that all future players would do well to replicate... His decision here has elevated him even higher in my esteem. It's hard to go out at the top: this way he can still hopefully do so with one last grandstand finish in October. |
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lets hope he takes the moron with the drum with him.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Just spotted this on the Sinfield announcement.
Yorkshire Carnegie Rugby Union club play in the second tier of English club rugby, the Greene King IPA Championship. They are currently sixth in the table, six points off a play off place with three games, and a maximum of fifteen points, to play for. Ownership of the former club Leeds Carnegie was transferred from Leeds CF&A Co Ltd, to a group of new owners on 23rd December 2014, called Yorkshire Tykes Ltd. That company now wholly owns Yorkshire Carnegie and has a ten year service agreement with Leeds CF&A Co Ltd for the use of Headingley Carnegie Stadium, the Leeds Rugby Academy at Kirkstall and certain management services such as retail, ticketing, marketing, medical and commercial revenue generation.
So I think I am correct about Leeds Rugby not owning, and pretty sure Caddick wasn't part of the Yorkshire Tykes Ltd, but Hetherington was.'"
Just checked Companies House regarding Yorkshire Tykes Ltd, these are the Shareholders
Top 20 Shareholders
Name Share Count Share Type % of Total Share Count
ROBERT OATES 1 ORDINARY 1 33.33
GARY HETHERINGTON 1 ORDINARY 1 33.33
PAUL CADDICK GBP 1 ORDINARY 1 33.33 |
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03/02/2015 Mr G. Hetherington has left the board
16/04/2014 New Board Member Mr G. Hetherington appointed
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Interesting, that information appears to be contradictory to an article Dated 26th Dec 2014 in the Yorkshire Post;
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7021780
The new shareholders in Yorkshire Tykes Limited are:
Alastair Da Costa is the Chief Executive of Prince’s Trust International, the charity which focuses on youth employment and strategies for countries around the world. Before that, Alastair spent 20 years practicising as an international corporate lawyer, most recently with DLA Piper. Alastair lives in North Yorkshire and has been a supporter of the club for many years.
Jon Wright is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of Xercise4less, an award-winning national gym group headquartered in Leeds. Jon has nearly 20 years experience in the Health club industry and is a former Rugby Union player with Leeds and Harlequins, but his playing career was cut short by injury. Jon lives near Leeds and has been a sponsor of the club for several years.
David Dockray was formerly the European Managing Partner of PwC Consulting, and subsequently Global Board member for IBM Global Business Services, the world’s largest consulting and systems integration enterprise. David now runs his own consulting business and has been a member of the Headingley Taverners club for several years.
Mike Shotton is the former Chairman of textile group Quantum Clothing who recently led a group of local investors to buy out Huddersfield based Sellers Global Engineers Ltd which trades in 60 countries worldwide, where he is now Chairman. He lives in Harrogate and has been a member of Headingley Taverners for many years.
Dr. Keith Howard was one of the founders of Emerald Group Publishing and Chairman of the Trustees of Emerald Foundation. Keith has wide interests and is a benefactor to Opera and Leeds Grand Theatre, Yorkshire Cricket, and both codes of rugby at Headingley.
Tony Snowdon was until recently Marketing Director for Leeds based specialist engineers, FTL Technology for 30 years, which was sold to a large global USA based company. He now spends much of his time as a ‘Business Angel’ seeking out opportunities where his attributes can improve and enhance company performance. A graduate of Leeds Metroplolitan Unviversity, Tony is also a keen rugby enthusiast.
Howard Illingworth has been a director at Robinson Group and Northern Energy and associated businesses for over 20 years and a regular at Headingley during the past decade. He is a former Rugby Union player.
John Swarbrick is the Head of Portfolio at the Business Growth Fund (BGF) that was created two years ago with an initial £2.5bn fund. John began his career as a corporate finance advisor with PwC and is an Economics graduate from Leeds University. He has previously supported the Club from the terraces and resides in Harrogate. |
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Interesting, that information appears to be contradictory to an article Dated 26th Dec 2014 in the Yorkshire Post;
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7021780
The new shareholders in Yorkshire Tykes Limited are:
Alastair Da Costa is the Chief Executive of Prince’s Trust International, the charity which focuses on youth employment and strategies for countries around the world. Before that, Alastair spent 20 years practicising as an international corporate lawyer, most recently with DLA Piper. Alastair lives in North Yorkshire and has been a supporter of the club for many years.
Jon Wright is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of Xercise4less, an award-winning national gym group headquartered in Leeds. Jon has nearly 20 years experience in the Health club industry and is a former Rugby Union player with Leeds and Harlequins, but his playing career was cut short by injury. Jon lives near Leeds and has been a sponsor of the club for several years.
David Dockray was formerly the European Managing Partner of PwC Consulting, and subsequently Global Board member for IBM Global Business Services, the world’s largest consulting and systems integration enterprise. David now runs his own consulting business and has been a member of the Headingley Taverners club for several years.
Mike Shotton is the former Chairman of textile group Quantum Clothing who recently led a group of local investors to buy out Huddersfield based Sellers Global Engineers Ltd which trades in 60 countries worldwide, where he is now Chairman. He lives in Harrogate and has been a member of Headingley Taverners for many years.
Dr. Keith Howard was one of the founders of Emerald Group Publishing and Chairman of the Trustees of Emerald Foundation. Keith has wide interests and is a benefactor to Opera and Leeds Grand Theatre, Yorkshire Cricket, and both codes of rugby at Headingley.
Tony Snowdon was until recently Marketing Director for Leeds based specialist engineers, FTL Technology for 30 years, which was sold to a large global USA based company. He now spends much of his time as a ‘Business Angel’ seeking out opportunities where his attributes can improve and enhance company performance. A graduate of Leeds Metroplolitan Unviversity, Tony is also a keen rugby enthusiast.
Howard Illingworth has been a director at Robinson Group and Northern Energy and associated businesses for over 20 years and a regular at Headingley during the past decade. He is a former Rugby Union player.
John Swarbrick is the Head of Portfolio at the Business Growth Fund (BGF) that was created two years ago with an initial £2.5bn fund. John began his career as a corporate finance advisor with PwC and is an Economics graduate from Leeds University. He has previously supported the Club from the terraces and resides in Harrogate. | |
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Quote ="TOMCAT"Interesting, that information appears to be contradictory to an article Dated 26th Dec 2014 in the Yorkshire Post;
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7021780
The new shareholders in Yorkshire Tykes Limited are:
Alastair Da Costa is the Chief Executive of Prince’s Trust International, the charity which focuses on youth employment and strategies for countries around the world. Before that, Alastair spent 20 years practicising as an international corporate lawyer, most recently with DLA Piper. Alastair lives in North Yorkshire and has been a supporter of the club for many years.
Jon Wright is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of Xercise4less, an award-winning national gym group headquartered in Leeds. Jon has nearly 20 years experience in the Health club industry and is a former Rugby Union player with Leeds and Harlequins, but his playing career was cut short by injury. Jon lives near Leeds and has been a sponsor of the club for several years.
David Dockray was formerly the European Managing Partner of PwC Consulting, and subsequently Global Board member for IBM Global Business Services, the world’s largest consulting and systems integration enterprise. David now runs his own consulting business and has been a member of the Headingley Taverners club for several years.
Mike Shotton is the former Chairman of textile group Quantum Clothing who recently led a group of local investors to buy out Huddersfield based Sellers Global Engineers Ltd which trades in 60 countries worldwide, where he is now Chairman. He lives in Harrogate and has been a member of Headingley Taverners for many years.
Dr. Keith Howard was one of the founders of Emerald Group Publishing and Chairman of the Trustees of Emerald Foundation. Keith has wide interests and is a benefactor to Opera and Leeds Grand Theatre, Yorkshire Cricket, and both codes of rugby at Headingley.
Tony Snowdon was until recently Marketing Director for Leeds based specialist engineers, FTL Technology for 30 years, which was sold to a large global USA based company. He now spends much of his time as a ‘Business Angel’ seeking out opportunities where his attributes can improve and enhance company performance. A graduate of Leeds Metroplolitan Unviversity, Tony is also a keen rugby enthusiast.
Howard Illingworth has been a director at Robinson Group and Northern Energy and associated businesses for over 20 years and a regular at Headingley during the past decade. He is a former Rugby Union player.
John Swarbrick is the Head of Portfolio at the Business Growth Fund (BGF) that was created two years ago with an initial £2.5bn fund. John began his career as a corporate finance advisor with PwC and is an Economics graduate from Leeds University. He has previously supported the Club from the terraces and resides in Harrogate.'"
These will be preference shareholders who will get a fixed dividend for their investment but no vote. The 3 ordinary shareholders (GH, Oates and Caddick) will have the voting rights and a variable dividend - good if profits are good and poor if low profits. |
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www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7021780
The new shareholders in Yorkshire Tykes Limited are:
Alastair Da Costa is the Chief Executive of Prince’s Trust International, the charity which focuses on youth employment and strategies for countries around the world. Before that, Alastair spent 20 years practicising as an international corporate lawyer, most recently with DLA Piper. Alastair lives in North Yorkshire and has been a supporter of the club for many years.
Jon Wright is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of Xercise4less, an award-winning national gym group headquartered in Leeds. Jon has nearly 20 years experience in the Health club industry and is a former Rugby Union player with Leeds and Harlequins, but his playing career was cut short by injury. Jon lives near Leeds and has been a sponsor of the club for several years.
David Dockray was formerly the European Managing Partner of PwC Consulting, and subsequently Global Board member for IBM Global Business Services, the world’s largest consulting and systems integration enterprise. David now runs his own consulting business and has been a member of the Headingley Taverners club for several years.
Mike Shotton is the former Chairman of textile group Quantum Clothing who recently led a group of local investors to buy out Huddersfield based Sellers Global Engineers Ltd which trades in 60 countries worldwide, where he is now Chairman. He lives in Harrogate and has been a member of Headingley Taverners for many years.
Dr. Keith Howard was one of the founders of Emerald Group Publishing and Chairman of the Trustees of Emerald Foundation. Keith has wide interests and is a benefactor to Opera and Leeds Grand Theatre, Yorkshire Cricket, and both codes of rugby at Headingley.
Tony Snowdon was until recently Marketing Director for Leeds based specialist engineers, FTL Technology for 30 years, which was sold to a large global USA based company. He now spends much of his time as a ‘Business Angel’ seeking out opportunities where his attributes can improve and enhance company performance. A graduate of Leeds Metroplolitan Unviversity, Tony is also a keen rugby enthusiast.
Howard Illingworth has been a director at Robinson Group and Northern Energy and associated businesses for over 20 years and a regular at Headingley during the past decade. He is a former Rugby Union player.
John Swarbrick is the Head of Portfolio at the Business Growth Fund (BGF) that was created two years ago with an initial £2.5bn fund. John began his career as a corporate finance advisor with PwC and is an Economics graduate from Leeds University. He has previously supported the Club from the terraces and resides in Harrogate.'"
These will be preference shareholders who will get a fixed dividend for their investment but no vote. The 3 ordinary shareholders (GH, Oates and Caddick) will have the voting rights and a variable dividend - good if profits are good and poor if low profits. | |
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