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I'd rather the club was upfront and honest with players, but it could be an attempt to let them know by other means that they haven't been playing well enough - leak it to the media and see what happens. Neither Cuthbertson and Parcell could really claim to leading the team by performance post Sinfield's return. Sinfield made positive noises about the contribution of the more limited Dwyer, who at least seemed to put in the effort required, if not the quality. Falling behind Dwyer ought to have been a kick up the arris for Parcell.
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| Quote ="Fallon"I simply don't believe that Sinfield would be telling some journo that type of information before he spoke to a player. Maybe it happened in the old guard but don't believe that of sinny at all.
This is typical paper tactics;
Make story up that sounds vaguely plausible
Club then has to deny it
Player denies it
Agent makes comment
Club player may have been linked with denies it
Out of a nothing news day you have 5 stories. Journos are there to sell news, the truth is not that important.
Chat about the rumours to your heart's content but don't get your knickers in a twist until the club confirms it.'"
We aren't talking about some 10 bob hack here.
Pete Smith is 99% GH's "man" & along with Phil Caplan virtually has the keys to the Clubs boardroom.
It's rare if it all he'll ever name a player personally unless its nailed on that the player named is 99,%+ named by the Club.
Whereever these names came from it was a genuine "Club Source" & it wont have been the litter picker or john the programme seller either. |
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All Smith did is repeat what other news outlets put. He wasn’t the first.
I said last week that the report said “understood” before the names, which implied it was guess work.
I suspect Sinfield told the majority of the players that the club needed to make changes, and on that basis they would consider all player movements to move on. I think the club will do that too, they have to. So although they may not have put some notice in writing to players, I think they will have been informed exactly what has been reported.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"We aren't talking about some 10 bob hack here.
Pete Smith is 99% GH's "man" & along with Phil Caplan virtually has the keys to the Clubs boardroom.
It's rare if it all he'll ever name a player personally unless its nailed on that the player named is 99,%+ named by the Club.
Whereever these names came from it was a genuine "Club Source" & it wont have been the litter picker or john the programme seller either.'"
Speaking of Johns. Does John the Open Rugby seller still attend games? If he’s still around that is |
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"We aren't talking about some 10 bob hack here.
Pete Smith is 99% GH's "man" & along with Phil Caplan virtually has the keys to the Clubs boardroom.
It's rare if it all he'll ever name a player personally unless its nailed on that the player named is 99,%+ named by the Club.
Whereever these names came from it was a genuine "Club Source" & it wont have been the litter picker or john the programme seller either.'"
Ah yes, the news came from a 'source'. 100% reliable then.
Of course the source is never named. There connection to the club is never revealed and when it's turns out to be total rubbish it is never mentioned again.
This is total nothing news. As I said previously most of last season's squad will likely be available in the right circumstances after last season, and rightly so.
All this bloke has done is pick some names, tag them in a legit interview with sinny and created a number of news stories (both cuthbo and parcel having to come out and deny) out of nothing. |
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I don't think they'll all go either. The Aussies mentioned are the only ones anyone would bat an eyelid about, and none of them would be pushed out without a replacement or are likely to be unless their contract can be torn up if they sign elsewhere.
Having said that its high time the club got a bit more ruthless as well - we signed a bunch of daft extensions this year with the likes of Lilley and Cuthbertson at opposite extremes, and they need to be sorted out rather than just waiting for them to expire. Right now if every player under contract decides to stay it will take at least an extra year to get the squad into the right shape.
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I think the majority mentioned will leave, bar Parcell and Cuthbertson
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Speaking of Johns. Does John the Open Rugby seller still attend games? If he’s still around that is'"
Yes he does. Usually stands near club shop after the game. |
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Speaking of Johns. Does John the Open Rugby seller still attend games? If he’s still around that is'"
£2.50 Each or 2 for a fiver. Yes he is. |
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| Quote ="Les Norton"Speaking of Johns. Does John the Open Rugby seller still attend games? If he’s still around that is'"
yes he is and I was talking to him in the Bridge Inn Kirkstall just before middle Eights |
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That’s good news
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John's a legend. Anyone know when he first appeared at HQ? He was selling copies of Rugby Leaguer when I started going in 75.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I don't think they'll all go either. The Aussies mentioned are the only ones anyone would bat an eyelid about, and none of them would be pushed out without a replacement or are likely to be unless their contract can be torn up if they sign elsewhere.
Having said that its high time the club got a bit more ruthless as well - we signed a bunch of daft extensions this year with the likes of Lilley and Cuthbertson at opposite extremes, and they need to be sorted out rather than just waiting for them to expire. Right now if every player under contract decides to stay it will take at least an extra year to get the squad into the right shape.'"
I agree regarding the extensions signed early in the season. In hindsight it's a clear indication of how off the mark McDermott was getting.
Regards the squad reshaping, it's going to take prob 3 off seasons to get back to a good position as inevitably some of the signings we make will look good on paper but just not work out.
It will take longer for the academy to start producing with some regularity.
So I'm not too fussed if some of the squad players take a year or two to shift. Tbh, any player worth his salt who is told they won't be getting game time should be keen to move on, albeit they may need to spend a couple of months at Fev to pursuade them. |
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| Quote ="Clearwing"John's a legend. Anyone know when he first appeared at HQ? He was selling copies of Rugby Leaguer when I started going in 75.'"
No idea mate but he's been there as long as ive been going (80) & is a Legend imo. Ive bought numerous books off him over the years. |
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| Quote ="Fallon"Ah yes, the news came from a 'source'. 100% reliable then.
All this bloke has done is pick some names, tag them in a legit interview with sinny and created a number of news stories (both cuthbo and parcel having to come out and deny) out of nothing.'"
The "source" will have been more than credible & he doesn't just pick names at random or from here (ala Nosy parker from LW).
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| Quote ="Fallon"I agree regarding the extensions signed early in the season. In hindsight it's a clear indication of how off the mark McDermott was getting.'"
Or GH. Signing-wise, things seem to have taken a different direction since Sinfield's return. Don't forget GH could have vetoed any/all of those extensions so definitely complicit to some degree. |
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| Quote ="taxi4stevesmith"£2.50 Each or 2 for a fiver. Yes he is.'"
Read it in bed tonight with your cocoa... |
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Or GH. Signing-wise, things seem to have taken a different direction since Sinfield's return. Don't forget GH could have vetoed any/all of those extensions so definitely complicit to some degree.'"
Totally agree, wasn't exonerating GH. More pointing out how off kilter the club's decision making has been under the old guard. |
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Interesting listening to Proper Sport when it mentioned an agent offering a player to McDermott who said he wanted him. Agent said he would contact GH to discuss money and McDermott blew his lid and vetoed the signing altogether and said he wasn't interested at all.
The fact GH did all the contract talks suggests he was more than a bit complicit!
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Quote ="RHINO-MARK"The "source" will have been more than credible & he doesn't just pick names at random or from here (ala Nosy parker from LW).
To suggest he's just making stuff up is way off the mark & disregards how well connected to the Club he is.'"
In that case I shall stop visiting the Leeds website and just follow Smith on twitter for all my Leeds news.
The below is what Smith wrote. 'Understood' means nothing as he actually says that sinny wouldn't discuss individual squad members. So he has no credible source or otherwise to his words below.
From those he names, Walters and ormonroyd are gimmes as they are clearly not good enough for SL let alone Leeds.
Cuthbo and parcel have both said they are not and have no intention of leaving.
Most fans have expressed surprise at Golding and garbutt being 'available' and as yet there is no comment.
Mullally was also pretty easy to pick especially with Crosby signing on.
So excuse me if I'm not impressed.
It is understood several current first team squad members – including Ashton Golding, Adam Cuthbertson, Matt Parcell, Anthony Mullally, Mitch Garbutt, Jack Ormondroyd and Josh Walters – would be allowed to leave if another club came in for them.
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To suggest he's just making stuff up is way off the mark & disregards how well connected to the Club he is.'"
In that case I shall stop visiting the Leeds website and just follow Smith on twitter for all my Leeds news.
The below is what Smith wrote. 'Understood' means nothing as he actually says that sinny wouldn't discuss individual squad members. So he has no credible source or otherwise to his words below.
From those he names, Walters and ormonroyd are gimmes as they are clearly not good enough for SL let alone Leeds.
Cuthbo and parcel have both said they are not and have no intention of leaving.
Most fans have expressed surprise at Golding and garbutt being 'available' and as yet there is no comment.
Mullally was also pretty easy to pick especially with Crosby signing on.
So excuse me if I'm not impressed.
It is understood several current first team squad members – including Ashton Golding, Adam Cuthbertson, Matt Parcell, Anthony Mullally, Mitch Garbutt, Jack Ormondroyd and Josh Walters – would be allowed to leave if another club came in for them.
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Quote ="Fallon"In that case I shall stop visiting the Leeds website and just follow Smith on twitter for all my Leeds news.
The below is what Smith wrote. 'Understood' means nothing as he actually says that sinny wouldn't discuss individual squad members. So he has no credible source or otherwise to his words below.
From those he names, Walters and ormonroyd are gimmes as they are clearly not good enough for SL let alone Leeds.
Cuthbo and parcel have both said they are not and have no intention of leaving.
Most fans have expressed surprise at Golding and garbutt being 'available' and as yet there is no comment.
Mullally was also pretty easy to pick especially with Crosby signing on.
So excuse me if I'm not impressed.
It is understood several current first team squad members – including Ashton Golding, Adam Cuthbertson, Matt Parcell, Anthony Mullally, Mitch Garbutt, Jack Ormondroyd and Josh Walters – would be all.owed to leave if another club came in for them.
Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... -1-9412319'"
Nobody is expecting you to be "impressed" the point is that dismissing PS putting names out there is "made up" will be wide of the mark.
Look at previous years when a number of players have been made "available" they were never individually named by the Club either.
The Powell "Clear out" is a perfect example & i still wouldnt rule out Cuthbo & Parcell leaving whether Sinfield names them publically or not.
What he has said more than once that he & Club will want/let players will leave that indicates numerous not just 3/4 imo. |
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The below is what Smith wrote. 'Understood' means nothing as he actually says that sinny wouldn't discuss individual squad members. So he has no credible source or otherwise to his words below.
From those he names, Walters and ormonroyd are gimmes as they are clearly not good enough for SL let alone Leeds.
Cuthbo and parcel have both said they are not and have no intention of leaving.
Most fans have expressed surprise at Golding and garbutt being 'available' and as yet there is no comment.
Mullally was also pretty easy to pick especially with Crosby signing on.
So excuse me if I'm not impressed.
It is understood several current first team squad members – including Ashton Golding, Adam Cuthbertson, Matt Parcell, Anthony Mullally, Mitch Garbutt, Jack Ormondroyd and Josh Walters – would be all.owed to leave if another club came in for them.
Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... -1-9412319'"
Nobody is expecting you to be "impressed" the point is that dismissing PS putting names out there is "made up" will be wide of the mark.
Look at previous years when a number of players have been made "available" they were never individually named by the Club either.
The Powell "Clear out" is a perfect example & i still wouldnt rule out Cuthbo & Parcell leaving whether Sinfield names them publically or not.
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Look at previous years when a number of players have been made "available" they were never individually named by the Club either.
The Powell "Clear out" is a perfect example & i still wouldnt rule out Cuthbo & Parcell leaving whether Sinfield names them publically or not.
What he has said more than once that he & Club will want/let players will leave that indicates numerous not just 3/4 imo.'"
I wouldn't rule out anybody leaving, very few deserve to stay based on last year.
My point is that if people want to talk about it fine, that's what sites like these are for, but some are prone to getting overexcited and believing everything that is written is gospel.
When there is actual news the club will say so. Until then, take these write ups for what they are, guess work. Educated guesses perhaps but just guesses none the less. |
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If Cuthbo says it's news to him then it suggests that one's wide of the mark. The bloke does a lot of promo work for the club and coaches the women's side. Not the club's way to ditch those involved behind the scenes, more likely they'd have expanded his non-playing role if they'd wanted him removed from the first choice roster. Certainly not the cloak and dagger manoeuvring that's being inferred.
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Both Cuthbertson and Parcell were dropped/fell don the pecking order for the middle 8s so it wouldn't surprise me.
That said, I'd be very disappointed if we havent approached them in the first instance to tell them. The snippet on Parcell doesnt say he hasnt been told he can leave, just that he won't be so Smith could well be correct on that. As other's have said, Smith is basically the Rhinos second press office so I'd be very surprised if he's way wide of the mark.
Anyhow, like with the other 96 names we've been linked with in the last month only time will tell. Enjoy the ride!
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