|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4938 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2018 | Mar 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="ThePrinter"Haha, coming from the man who tried many times to ascribe England's international failure at the door of Sinfield given the less-than-ordinary nature of the England/GB team as a whole for many decades now......pot kettle black William. Come on I thought you were better than that or does highlighting the England team showing good signs of improvement under Sinfield's captaincy irritate you that much. Let's not forget Sinfield only took over as captain roughlyl 12 months prior to the WC and we closed the gap quite a bit compared to our recent WC showings, we went from embarrassing batterings to making the Aussies/Kiwis fight to the wire for their wins.....imagine what could've happened had we give the guy the captaincy several years earlier and had more time to stamp his leadership over the national team
'"
Skippering England to ignominious defeat against the likes of Italy is certainly food for thought, I'll grant you that. As I suggested earlier, you're on much safer ground discussing Kev's domestic career instead.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14970 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2021 | Nov 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="William Eve"Agree with most of your selections above... even the serial miscreant who looks like Keith-Senior-with-hair at fullback.
Burrow? Oh dear.'"
Burrow has proven his worth both in big games for Leeds and for GB. He offers a more dynamic threat but it really depends how Roby's game alters (if at all) as he gets older and if you feel the need for another pivot. If you don't have a Sinfield/O'Loughlin at loose who can play a bit and go with a workhorse backrower or another prop at Loose then you might want someone on the bench with more of a halfback's game.
Like the best that Bangkok has to offer, Burrow provides something different to other, regular hookers.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 9565 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| The problem with Roby is his inability to play 80 minutes. If he can then the bench can be set up very differently. Having to pick a player who can sub at hooker on the bench means no room for either a genuine big forward or utility back.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 11412 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2021 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="William Eve"Skippering England to ignominious defeat against the likes of Italy is certainly food for thought, I'll grant you that. As I suggested earlier, you're on much safer ground discussing Kev's domestic career instead.'"
Is that what you've been left with? A warm-up match? Oh dear that sabbatical hasn't done you any good has it.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 6848 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Lets be honest, up until the last WC sinfield had endured quite a torid time on the international stage.But during his periods in the team until that point he was steering a rudderless ship, our team on the whole was so far behind the NZ and OZ teams as shown in results from the mid 2000's on so its hardly surprising he couldn't shine.
In the WC, Sinfield finally had a side around him who could genuinly compete for 80 minutes with the other 2 big nations and and,surprise surprise! , he delivered in every game. Its a shame of course what happened at the end of the semi (in which he was excellent on the whole), but imo he retires at least with his head held high, if not with the legacy he will leave when he retires from his club.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 948 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2018 | Nov 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| A true professional whose determination, commitment and attitude could never be questioned. Shame the entire team and coaching set up is so far behind the Aussies, but I don't think Sinfield can be blamed for that.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 9730 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2017 | Mar 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="El Diablo"
O'Loughlin looks the stand-out candidate to me.'"
He will probably do a good job captaining the team from the medical room.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10530 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2020 | Jun 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"The problem with Roby is his inability to play 80 minutes. If he can then the bench can be set up very differently. Having to pick a player who can sub at hooker on the bench means no room for either a genuine big forward or utility back.'"
You keep saying this, but Roby plays 80 minutes every week. Also, why is picking a half back or utility on the bench a better tactic than playing a 2nd hooker?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 11412 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2021 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Lets be honest, up until the last WC sinfield had endured quite a torid time on the international stage.But during his periods in the team until that point he was steering a rudderless ship, our team on the whole was so far behind the NZ and OZ teams as shown in results from the mid 2000's on so its hardly surprising he couldn't shine.
In the WC, Sinfield finally had a side around him who could genuinly compete for 80 minutes with the other 2 big nations and and,surprise surprise! , he delivered in every game. Its a shame of course what happened at the end of the semi (in which he was excellent on the whole), but imo he retires at least with his head held high, if not with the legacy he will leave when he retires from his club.'"
"In the WC, Sinfield finally had a side around him"
This is the key part. His first 8 years for England 2000-2008 he wasn't really given the reigns. He sometimes got picked, sometimes not. Some in the halves, loose, 2nd row, hooker, bench. Once he got given the 6 shirt and more importantly the captaincy he started to show what he could do.
Even the Aussie press had him rated quite highly on a list best international performers over the last few years didn't they?
He might not have lead us past New Zealand and Australia (might've done the latter had James Graham not made himself unpickable for that game and had O'Loughlin been fit, both the main contenders for the captaincy now. Instead we got Tom Burgess and Mossop taking their places for the opener ) but only given the captains role the previous year was perhaps too short a turnaround. Remember in 2003 in his first year as Leeds captain we fell short but Rome wasn't built in a day....or year in these cases)
The biggest mistake regarding Sinfield and the 2013 WC was that we didn't make him captain straight after the 2008 WC.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 32302 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2018 | Oct 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I though Sinny may go around one last time. After falling to fit in whilst Farrell and Sculthorpe were around and being criminally wasted by Noble he'd finally settled and was leading the team and playing well, very well in many games.
Still the decision makes absolute sense for him and is good new for the club.
As for his replacement O'Loughlin is the obvious choice though I do like Damo's suggestion of Shenton, a player I have never rated that much but who has impressed me massively this year.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 12106 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Here's a question though, if Shenton is to be picked, would it potentially be at Watkins' expense?
Haven't watched Leroy Cudjoe much this year, how's he going?
I thought Shenton was pretty ordinary at Saints, he just seems happier at Cas and his performances reflect that. He's played very well every time I've seen cas this year (and I do make an effort to watch them when I can as they're a very watchable team this year).
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 11412 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2021 | Jul 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="El Diablo"Here's a question though, if Shenton is to be picked, would it potentially be at Watkins' expense?
Haven't watched Leroy Cudjoe much this year, how's he going?
I thought Shenton was pretty ordinary at Saints, he just seems happier at Cas and his performances reflect that. He's played very well every time I've seen cas this year (and I do make an effort to watch them when I can as they're a very watchable team this year).'"
Would pick him above Cudjoe, don't follow the NRL so don't know how Reed has performed.
For me though Shenton is one of those players who are good club players but at International look average. Like a JJB or Ablett from Leeds. In football I've seen the likes of Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick and James Milner the same.......solid picks who perform well for their clubs but not really going to be more than that. Ones of those guys who when not picked people say he should be based on his form and as soon as he is picked people turn around and say he's not good enough for International play.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 32302 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2018 | Oct 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Watkins is a shoe in. Shenton has been playing left centre hasn't he? Certainly did in the final.
I have some friends who are Giants fans and they say Cudjoe has been poor this year.
I wouldn't over complicate selection on worrying about whether someone is international class. I'd pick the players whose form merit it and give them a chance, look at Ferres last year.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 12106 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="ThePrinter"Would pick him above Cudjoe, don't follow the NRL so don't know how Reed has performed.
For me though Shenton is one of those players who are good club players but at International look average. Like a JJB or Ablett from Leeds. In football I've seen the likes of Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick and James Milner the same.......solid picks who perform well for their clubs but not really going to be more than that. Ones of those guys who when not picked people say he should be based on his form and as soon as he is picked people turn around and say he's not good enough for International play.'"
Prior to his Saints move, Shenton played very well against the Aussies and Kiwis in the Four Nations (2009?).
JJB has always looked much the same aat international level for me, he isn't a spectacular player, he's a workhorse. He's also had (IMO) some very good performances at test level. Milner and Barry racked up a lot of appearances for precisely that reason. You need some of those. Ablett has had very few chances from which to draw that conclusion.
I don't watch NRL either. I was underwhelmed by Jack Reed in his previous England performances, but I don't know how he's developed.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 9565 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Whatever position you look at, England just doesn't have as much quality (or in some cases depth) as Australia. In 30+ years we've never had a 1-13 where hand on heart we could say they were comparable to Australia - at best we've had about half a team and the rest a bunch of hard workers, at worst we've had only 1 or 2 class players.
The sad thing is then picking scapegoats for the inability of a generally outmatched side to beat Australia.
Right now we're far better off for choices than when Tony Smith was in charge - a right wing combination of Calderwood and Lee Smith still gives me nightmares. But for all the debates across these boards, we're still a long way off matching Australia - we've no halfbacks to match them, and right now our backrow looks weaker than it has in years to me.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 23 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2021 | Aug 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Absolutely dreadful international - Golden boot winner - what a joke- I can just see Russell Crowe ringing Leeds up - any chance we could swap Greg Inglis for Sir Kev please. No Australian club has ever tried to sign him because in all honesty he's not very good - not big - not fast-not brilliant passer-to be fair he can kick and has been a good SL player and captain.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 12106 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="mb010"Absolutely dreadful international - Golden boot winner - what a joke- I can just see Russell Crowe ringing Leeds up - any chance we could swap Greg Inglis for Sir Kev please. No Australian club has ever tried to sign him because in all honesty he's not very good - not big - not fast-not brilliant passer-to be fair he can kick and has been a good SL player and captain.'"
You would imagine that if he was as non-descript as you think, he wouldn't have made such an impression on you that you would set up an account purely to post about him on the message board of a team you don't support.
Maybe.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14970 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2021 | Nov 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Quote ="mb010"Absolutely dreadful international - Golden boot winner - what a joke- I can just see Russell Crowe ringing Leeds up - any chance we could swap Greg Inglis for Sir Kev please. No Australian club has ever tried to sign him because in all honesty he's not very good - not big - not fast-not brilliant passer-to be fair he can kick and has been a good SL player and captain.'"
www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... over-88359
LOL.
|
|
Quote ="mb010"Absolutely dreadful international - Golden boot winner - what a joke- I can just see Russell Crowe ringing Leeds up - any chance we could swap Greg Inglis for Sir Kev please. No Australian club has ever tried to sign him because in all honesty he's not very good - not big - not fast-not brilliant passer-to be fair he can kick and has been a good SL player and captain.'"
www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-lea ... over-88359
LOL.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2090 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I think he's right. Here's Russell Crowe's list of all the players he'd swap Greg Inglis for:
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 23 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2021 | Aug 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Him"www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/kevin-sinfield-has-no-regrets-over-88359
LOL.'"
What a surprise 'an unnamed club' - figment of Sir Kevs management teams imagination - he'd of smashed it over there.....not
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14970 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2021 | Nov 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="mb010"What a surprise 'an unnamed club' - figment of Sir Kevs management team - he'd of smashed it over there.....not'"
Lol.
Worst. Troll. Ever.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7376 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 23 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2021 | Aug 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="lionarmour87"Bit late with all this aren't you mush?where have you been since Sinfield was awarded the golden boot'"
Waiting for Sinfield to retire !!!!
Seriously though do you think he's played well this season ?
England should be 1 Hardaker 6 Widdop 7 Tomkins.
Agree Sinfield can control a game but i think above would cause more damage.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 12106 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Obsessed much?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7376 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="mb010"Waiting for Sinfield to retire !!!!
Seriously though do you think he's played well this season ?
England should be 1 Hardaker 6 Widdop 7 Tomkins.
Agree Sinfield can control a game but i think above would cause more damage.'"
You've waited since 2000 to open an account on here to dis Kevin Sinfield ?
|
|
|
|
|