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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I was always going on about struggling PHYSICALLY (and mentally) after big games. He misread the ORGINAL point to go on about Castleford's squad depth and strength.
That he highlighted that Cas made 5 changes only helps my point. They made a chunk of changes and STILL looked tired in both games I mentioned. That they made changes should've added energy to the team, maybe the guys in weren't as good as the normal starters but still they were better than to be 18-4 down to Hull shortly after halftime.
I made a simple observation about Cas looking tired, he went on a tangent about squad depth, quality, rotation and rest. Simple as. Similar to how I simply said I thought HKR defended well the previous week and he couldn't take it and had to resort to saying I think everything about Leeds is great and we only don't score because the opposition defence is fantastic......when in reality I've been one of the most vocal about lack of finishing ability and a need for a coach to improve attack.
When he can stick to the thing being debated and what the poster actually said instead of twisting it I might bother replying to him in the future. If he continues to alter what I or other posters say to push his view then I won't.
Upon recent posts about this board becoming same-old same-old arguments and it annoying people I am going to make an effort on my behalf to refrain from it as I can accept and admit that I'm a key part of that issue, perhaps he might realise the same but I won't hold my breathe.....as he said in reply to your post I was "pointing out his (my) incorrect view".....everybody on here feels their right and some push it more harder than others (myself included) but no one is as stubborn and guilty of looking down his nose at differing views as Gotcha.'"
Give it up Printer, you sound like a blithering idiot. Let's get facts right, you said that Cas can not handle it physically two matches on the trot, and look tired, and repeated it above. You backed this up by declaring their defeats after big matches prove it.
All I did is point out that they made changes each time after big games, to keep their important players fresh, and they do not have the squad strength of other teams, hence the defeats. There is no proof at all to say Cas can not go a few games with top performances if they have their first choice players. The truth is, instead of reading it for what it was, your paranoia in looking to defend our coach got the better of you, even though there was no reference in the least about Leeds.
As for stubborn, as we have seen with your previous lies on stats, which tvoc embarrassed you on, you didn't even have the decency there to accept you were wrong. So please don't preach to others. You have completely fog knit on this thread. Just accept you were wrong and move on.
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| Quote ="Him"Team named as:
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Leuluai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
11. Ablett
12. Walters
13. JJB
14. Sutcliffe
15. Minchella
16. Singleton
17. Ward'"
This weather should really suit that side. Fast young energetic in the main. Don't think brute strength needed tonight. As long as half get good quick ball across park.
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| We absolutely need a consistent quick PTB tonight, if not I think we're gonna struggle
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| Liking Walters at 2nd row instead of loose. Bench looks a bit 'back row heavy'.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"This weather should really suit that side. Fast young energetic in the main. Don't think brute strength needed tonight. As long as half get good quick ball across park.'"
Yep I agree with that. Be interesting to see how McGuire & Burrow do back at half back together without Sinfield.
As you say, speed and energy is obviously our tactic tonight.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Liking Walters at 2nd row instead of loose. Bench looks a bit 'back row heavy'.'"
Yep. Might see JJB at prop for a bit tonight, though hopefully Singleton will get plenty of game time.
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| Not sure about silverwood so far...
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| Quote ="MattyLeeds"Not sure about silverwood so far...'"
Salford have had a couple of lucky knock-on/ball steal calls and a couple of obstructions not given.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I would be tempted to start Delaney at prop and with Kylie off the bench as impact prop and drop Bailey after he deserted his post and left a huge gap under the sticks against Cas. However we will be up against a fired up and inform Salford who will need a win to have a chance of a top 8 place, so we need to start well.
Therefore I would start with JP, Aiton and Kylie in the front row with JJB & Delaney in the 2nd row and Ablett at loose.
In Sinfield's absence I would play Burrow at 7 and Mags at 6 as we will need play makers on the field for the full 80 in the skipper's absence. If Aiton needs a rest or gets injured then Burrow to 9 and Sutcliffe on from the bench.
Walters deserves a bench spot as he has put in an enthusiastic stints with a high tackle and marker tackle count over the last 5 games he has played. That leaves two bench spots from Ward, Bailey, Singleton or Minichella. I would give the latter two the chance to make an impact and rest Ward and Bailey.'"
Not a bad prediction
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| We are playing with good speed in attack, but we need to slow them down at the PTB though because they are too, we constantly have a man running back to the 10 when the ball is played,.
Burrow is looking good at leading the team, I know there's 40 to go but perhaps he and Sinfield at halves when available with McGuire missing out?
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| I'd feel an awful lot better if Burrow took the conversion kicks.... Zaks kicks have got increasingly worse!!
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"We are playing with good speed in attack, but we need to slow them down at the PTB though because they are too, we constantly have a man running back to the 10 when the ball is played,.
Burrow is looking good at leading the team, I know there's 40 to go but perhaps he and Sinfield at halves when available with McGuire missing out?'"
McGuire's not going to be missing out on this showing. I know it's the popular theme to criticise him ATM, but he's looking very dangerous in the oppositions 20m.
One thing is becoming clearer, our back is holding us back.
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| I rest my case!! :/
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| Ridiculous decision by Silverwood.
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| Definition of a wins a win.
Looked poor for last 20 but hung on.
Stevie Ward continues to worry me despite a well taken try....
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"Definition of a wins a win.
Looked poor for last 20 but hung on.
Stevie Ward continues to worry me despite a well taken try....'"
Ward was looking really good until the first drop, then he let it effect him. I was more worried about Kylie on the back of last week also. Hope it isn't a repeat of last year, new contract in pocket so relax.
Was impressed with Minchela tonight. Showed good potential. Singleton looked good also.
Hall looked way out of it, and a liability for us, and surprisingly no go forward either.
Don't know how they got MOM, as personally all things considered, I would have gone Ablett or JJB.
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| Yeah Ward got a good try but lost possession twice cheaply, and neither had to do with how he's utilised as a battering ram.
Bit of a strange game to evaluate. We were again sharper in attack compared to 3/4 weeks ago but could've had a better final product. In defence the scramble was reminiscent of the start of the year but the lack of slowing down the PTB was really bad.
Thought we always had enough IF we weren't guilty of too many handling errors.....but we almost were. 12-6 after 63 mins against us I think I read.
As for individuals.
Briscoe shone, perhaps Watkins should just pass to him straight away at times instead of the step first?
Moon again didn't shine.
Walters didn't so much but Minchella I thought went well.
Singleton went well, Peacock not so much, neither Aiton.
Hardaker, even though he couldn't stop the 3rd try he's still so important both in attack and defence, (he stopped one later on that rolled into touch)
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| Very, very patchy performance. Not sure how Burrow got man-of-the-match - none of our halves shone.
On the positives, Hardaker again saved some blushes with his defence, Briscoe looks to be getting his confidence back (just as Hall is losing his again), Singleton had his best game for ages and thought JJB had a really good all-round game, MoM for me.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Yeah Ward got a good try but lost possession twice cheaply, and neither had to do with how he's utilised as a battering ram.
Bit of a strange game to evaluate. We were again sharper in attack compared to 3/4 weeks ago but could've had a better final product. In defence the scramble was reminiscent of the start of the year but the lack of slowing down the PTB was really bad.
Thought we always had enough IF we weren't guilty of too many handling errors.....but we almost were. 12-6 after 63 mins against us I think I read.
As for individuals.
Briscoe shone, perhaps Watkins should just pass to him straight away at times instead of the step first?
Moon again didn't shine.
Walters didn't so much but Minchella I thought went well.
Singleton went well, Peacock not so much, neither Aiton.
Hardaker, even though he couldn't stop the 3rd try he's still so important both in attack and defence, (he stopped one later on that rolled into touch)'"
Re slowing down the ptb. We've been getting off the tackled player very quickly all season so far, which is why it annoys me in games when the opposition hold down and aren't penalised for it.
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| Thought Ward did ok, can't remember if one of his "knock-ons" was one of Silverwoods dodgy decisions.
Walters was very good in my opinion, did masses of defence and was often willing to run onto the ball from deep.
JJB very good also.
Peacock superb except for being slow at marker for their last try.
We made a few too many errors (though we got nothing from the ref which didn't help) but I thought overall it was pretty good against a good and enthusiastic Salford side.
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| Quote ="Him"Re slowing down the ptb. We've been getting off the tackled player very quickly all season so far, which is why it annoys me in games when the opposition hold down and aren't penalised for it.'"
Agreed it's a strange one. Should we risk the wrath of a penalty or be careful???
TBF too often we don't dominate the tackle enough to earn us the right to slow things down.....but even when we do we seem to pop up in a rush to avoid a penalty.
Think this along with the conservative attack of one man rugby is a planned risk free approach to stop giving opposition cheap and easy yards high up the pitch with knock ons and penalties.
But as we saw tonight, even risk free the ball can come free and lose possession in a bad place.
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| Ref again poor some ridiculous calls.
That aside our marker defence is weak , their last try was pathetic defence, and although we deserved the win we kept them in it imo.
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| We played some good stuff at times but daft offloads and errors at crucial times are becoming worrying. From a defensive perspective all our problems stem from our inability to control the ruck and with the one on one missed tackles close to our own creeping in it means we allow teams a way back into the game.
I thought Aiton coming back on in the 2nd half was the turning point. We were in total control with Burrow causing lots of problems around the ruck but Aiton came on and slowed the Leeds PTB down, and gave a aft penalty away on the 5th tackle which allowed Salford to steady the ship. He also has a very bad habit of flying out of the line ala JJB. The jury is still out on him IMO.
I'd rest JP next week, he will always give the team the same work rate every week regardless but I didn't think he seemed that effective, I'd bring Delaney into the front row for JP and I'd drop Kylie to the bench in place of Singleton. Kylie again was average in his first stint and much better in his 2nd so playing him off the bench may mean he's fresher and more effective.
No doubt Ward will take some stick for the 2 knock ons but up until that point he was carrying the ball quite wll I thought.
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| The Ward 1st knock on it was clearly a grapple before and the slo mo shot from behind showed Sau's hand in at the ball!
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| All the tell tale issues were again in evidence.
3rd/4th, no silverware.
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