True Yed what you are saying.
I guess I am a little under whelmed by the appointment and felt we could do better.
I always felt McDermott would make a good coach and touted for him when Tony Smith left.
I am happy to support them as mentioned previously.
No doubt time will tell.
I actually think we are going through a bit of a transition at Leeds this season so it could be misleading anyway around their competencies.

Lowes must be good, McNamara picked him as his assistant for England in the recent 4 Nations.

In an area where there is no quota and no salary cap in play, where a (wealthy) team are permitted to assemble a backroom staff without compromise, where the best of their kind can achieve results that appear way beyond the apparent capabilities of the squad at their disposal...... am I wrong to feel underwhelmed with the coaching team currently being assembled at Headingley?

Big name appointments don't always bring success.

Yours

Malcolm Reilly and Dougie Laughton

Perhaps the two-and-a-half brain-celled triumvirate of McDermott, Lowes and Adamson may turn out to be greater than the sum of their collective parts?

I think you're over estimating Adamson's intellect.

Is it definately Adamson that's getting the u20's 3rd assistent job?

If this was Wire's coaching team I'd feel extremely underwhelmed

What is going on at Headingley?

It makes no sense that Lowes and possibly Adamson are first choice replacements. I can only assume that the clear-out of coaching staff was in response to some kind of disciplinary incident, because replacing a successful line-up of McClennan, Cummins and Poching with McDermott, Lowes and Adamson is one hell of a risky way to manage a transition.

I'm not sure how any of the new individuals will be able to bring new tactics and coaching to improve our squad from last year. We didn't have to go for someone with NRL experience but the results at Wigan and Huddersfield suggest that that is the best way to do things. Maybe GH is trying to challenge this argument.

I'm prepared to wait and see and hope I'm wrong about this, but all in all the changes to the squad and coaching staff are a backward step IMO. In a more positive light this could be like the Daryl Powell appointment, which saw the nucleus of our current side slowly introduced in the 2002 and 2003 seasons. We've seen youth development slide and maybe a British set-up is needed to bring this back: but at what cost to the fortunes of the first team (see Bradford as a recent example).

McDermott, and who knows maybe Adamson, were replacing Cummins and Poching anyway. Take the Lowes issue out of the equation.

McDermott would have certainly been an improvement on Cummins, who had been lucky to be part of a the era that was happening at the club with or without him. And even my old nan would have been an improvement on Poching, who took that under 20's so far backwards it was frightening.

The fact that McClennan then threw a spanner in the works is what then changed everything. Is McDermott up to the top job? then he needed an assistant to replace his role.

Personally I think McDermott will do a far better job than he is getting credit for so far. I am dissapointed on his choice of assistant, who I think is a turd, but will hope to be proven wrong on that.

brian mac was very heavily involved under tony smith in 2004 and was greatly respected by the players. as to wether he is good enough for the top job at a big club is up form debate but imo he deserves a chance.

lowes i am unsure about. he seems to be a good assistant but not cut out for head coach. i would much rather have had franny there but we have a lot of senior experienced players who will also offer help to BM( if he asks for it).

adamson offers nothing whatsoever to me. a joke decision if true and someone wants there backside kicking. stuart wilkinson should have got the u20's job, any fool could see that.
in fact anyone but adamson

and now its just been reported that Willie Poching has joined Warrington as Tony Smith's assistant.
I wonder what really went on behind the scened at Headingley?

I don't mean this to sound like i'm gloating or even trying to be controversial for the sake of it to get a rise out of people, but, is this similar to the end of the whole Bullsmania period?
Bulls did well, then petered out a little than just fell into mid table mediocrity.
I hope not (im being genuine) a hard fast competitive SL is a dream i hope is fulfilled but i am a little worried in the direction you seem to be heading.

Newsflash, people do lose jobs because they are not good enough.

Poching most definately fell into that category.

Even when it became clear we were now looking for an assistant the club still never even considered offering Poching the role. There was a reason for that yes, but not the one you are looking for.

The same can be said of 'top quality' coaches regardless of perceived (big name) reputations but they are still more likely than average coaches. If the coaching team of McDermott, Lowes and Adamson (when confirmed) can bring the quality then their prior reputations won't matter. I'm not holding my breath on finding the answer to that one though.

Wigan prior to the start of last season replaced one of Britain's reputed finest with a relatively unknown (in these parts) assistant from the NRL and struck gold, with basically the same squad on paper + Deacon. Wayne Bennett took a squad/club of recent massive underachievement to the NRL title.

On the footballing side of the organisation (in the salary-capped era) the head-coaching position is probably the most crucial appointment in the club. During the SL Era Leeds have made some good appointments (Murray and Smith), an OK appointment (McClennan) and some questionable ones (Bell, Lance and Powell.) Only time will tell which category McDermott will end up occupying.

I’m guessing from the mood of this board over both the coaching and on field recruitment that there seems to being an overwhelming feeling of underwhelmdom (if there is such a word).

So far I’ve yet to read anything like “excited about our prospects for next year” or “really happy with the off season recruitment this year”.

There is a distinct feeling of “wait and see” coming from most posters and TBH I’m also in that camp.

I’m really hoping the McD + Piggy Lowes partnership can do it for us but my optimism is being tested to the max.

But he was assistant at arguably the most successful team in the NRL. Albeit that the success was achieved by cheating in a massive fashion.

A bit harsh imo to describe a coach that resided over 2 Championships a WCC and a LLS whilst also getting to a CC final as an "ok" appointment.
The same could be said to describe Powells appointment as "questionable" when he also got us to a Cup Final and was the Coach who had the "clear out" of the old guard and played a role in building the squad that eventually ended over 3 decades of waiting for a Championship.

Murray and Smith improved the players individually and collectively. That's what I call coaching. Murray had a set of players who in the main (on paper) were fairly limited but he consistently had them performing to the best of their ability, he introduced the two hooker rotation, put the mongrel in the forwards and cleverly used Harris to destroy teams in the final quarter which marked him out as a man with a plan.

Smith polished a capable team and made them into Champions. Would Powell have achieved the same had he stayed on, we'll never know but I have my doubts. The rugby played under Smith in 2004 (and the majority of 2005) was often simply devastating and despite a disappointing 2006 it was a fitting finale to his tenure with the Old Trafford destruction of St Helens in 2007.

McClennan was OK but he inherited a Champion team and given the tools at his disposal failed to take them on to another level. By the end of his three years Leeds were heading in the wrong direction, displaying poor ball control, defensive frailties and all too often suspect discipline. His management of the hooking position was also detrimental to the team's performance, IMO.

As for the other three they all fall under the heading of questionable gambles. Bell had come in to run the Academy but found himself in charge of the first team after Laughton's shock decision to quit on the eve of SL. Lance was a subsidised appointment who ended up losing the dressing room with player's publically questioning his team selections. Ironically one of those to do so was then catapulted into the hot seat when Lance was relieved of his duties. Someone had to step in at short notice and Powell took on the thankless task but the decision to award the coaching novice a three and a half year deal must rank alongside the more bizarre decisions of Hetherington's years in charge.

I agree entirely with your assesments of Murray ,Lance ,Smith and Bell.
Bluey had the thankless task of inheriting the defending Champions who were there to be shot at and were ageing themselves and still managed to win 4 trophies in 3 yrs of which 2 were back to back titles against a much stronger league imo something Smith never did despite having an all conquering squad.
The 9 debate will go on and i agree it did'nt work but winning Rugby is winning Rugby and Bluey also resided over the worst injury run the squad has suffered for years so imo to call label his stint as "OK" is way too harsh given the circumstances just look at Potter at Saints.
As for Powell he was thrown in at the deep end and imo began the "new era" when he disposed of the "old guard" and built a very good squad that Smith was then able to add the "X-factor" to in guiding them to the GF win.
Would we have won the GF with Powell in charge? We'll never know but DP played a major role in turning us from nearly men into serious contenders/trophy winners imo.

I'm settling for that. It is the off-season afterall and I shouldn't even be here.

That's cheating off season or not!

I wouldn't be too underwhelmed about us. You've just appointed someone who wasnt deemed good enough to run the kids team as assistant.

We have Tony Smith though

Yes you have got tony Smith and you are expecting to win 4 gf in 5 years plus two WCCs and runner up in FEW things you have won two CCs cups but ,if it dont start to happen I bet you wont hold TS in the same esteem as us