Exactly.

They could start by being so good for the reserves or fev that they demand a place on the bench.then if they're really good they start.and if they're still good they keep their place. Simplistic perhaps but if this loan move works out (and I am sceptical) then that could potentially be of more benefit to the club than sticking a player on the bench just because they're academy players.

They can get experience playing in the Championship. If they are not better players they should not be in the team ahead of Donaldson.

If they are good enough they will get their chance.

So you would never have picked Sinfield, Maguire, Burrow etc? Thank God Dean Bell and Daryl Powell saw the potential and gave those kids a chance even though none of them was ready for it at the time.

Isn't this just the 'people forget' argument you so hate but now used to support your own view.

If we have young players better than donldson or indeed others then their quality will show through. I'm very sure our coaching staff have no particular love affair with Donaldson that means they see him through rose tinted glasses. They consider him worthy of a SQUAD place based on what he brings to the squad.

Are coaches and their staff always right? No. Could Donaldson's place be better used on a younger player? Honestly, none of us know. But Donaldson is a Leeds player so get behind him FFS.

Ive no idea what that 1st sentence is referring to if im honest.

We are all entitled to our opinions on players doesnt mean we are not behind any of them when on the field. Do i have to rate all of them? Hope not cos i dont. Theres a lot in this squad i dont rate very highly glad you do though.

Fingers crossed for a win on Friday.

Which better players were they picked over?
Are any of the current academy players as good as those 3?

Well Kevin was 16 when 1st picked so hard to say he was ready or better than the players we had then.

Holroyd and Walters certainly have to potential to be as good as those and wouldve walked into their academy team.

Think people are getting confused here though. Ive not seen anyone say these lads are ready or better than what we have. Nobody is saying they should play every week but for the future of the club in a salary cap era we do have to bring these kids through and it has to continue to happen. Waa Harry Newman ready when be played at Wigan that night on debut? Not a chance but now weve a centre for next 12 years hopefully.

Look at St Helens are and look at the kids theve brought through and given a chance to. Our academy teams are the equal of them.

Was Luke Thompson better than Amor 3 years ago? Waa he ready for week in weel out SL? No, but look at him now.

Spot on Marty.

There is no doubt whatsover no matter what people say, that Holroyd and Walters would be be playing regularly had they been at say Wigan. Absolutely no doubt.

To say if they are good enough they would be ahead is the stupidist argument there is, absolutely nonsense from posters who to be truthful really have no idea in the ability of the players they are questioning, and that is why they say it.

That said, I still think personally that too much is made on Donaldson. I doubt he is the one holding up their progression. If he wasn't there somebody else would be brought in of similar ilk. But Donaldson is worthy of his spot ahead of others currently, so I wish this argument was fair, and centred on all players rather than just the one.

I hear what you are saying but who out of the pack would you drop for Holroyd and Walters.The props so far are doing a decent job.I think both have great futures especially Walters who I hope gets a run of games before the end of the season off the bench.

It is still very early on in the season, hopefully Holroyd and Walters get a chance at some point. Were Sinfield, McGuire etc regulars at Holroyds age? Seem to remember they made their debut at a young age like Holroyd did, but were not regulars.

I would be rotating it, is the simple answer. It isn't a question of dropping as such, but more a case of developing for the future. Ensure these younger players that are clearly the future get the required development time. But of course do not necessarily do that at the expense of them suffering as a result of not strong enough players around them. A couple of games, then out for a couple, gives them the opportunity to work on what they learned.

If Holroyd continues to develop like he is there's a very good chance he'll take Cuthbertson spot at the club presumably when Cuthbertson retires at end of this season ( if he is retiring but I can't see club resigning him when his contract expires at seasons end) it would be good to see the likes of Holroyd, Walters and Mustapha get a few games of super league this season but there's no need to rush them all of them are 20 years of age or under let them develop a bit more physically for a year and get more game time for the likes of Fev and reserves and then we can put them in deep end of playing super league consistently don't want to put young bodies through punishment each week and harm their long term development even if they look ready now.

Exactly. Whenever playing youngsters get mentioned people seem to think its meant as every week. No young forward needs that.

In truth the team is much younger than 2 or 3 years ago. It needs to continue. Walker Newman and Smith are all doing brilliantly and thats the way Leeds need to go.

Agree with that.Ava and Prior have to play everyweek though if fit.

I’d agree with rotation though the seasons only 3 games old, but let’s hope it does happen. The big problem I had was going against Hull with only 3 props when Holroyd should have been given a run. With a strong back row Walters should be introduced.

I think Agars priority is to make sure we're not in a scrap at the bottom end again and then he can introduce the young players in a much less pressured environment

It is and that's why for now he'll go with his strongest 17 each week

Ward stood down indefinitely

Source?

Radio Leeds

What the implications of this? Why so formal as to say hes stood down indefinitely...

Because they have no idea when he will be ready to play. Currently every single time he tries doing any exercise he is getting blurred vision and dizziness so Club are sending him to a top specialist in London who dealt with several RU players last season, some of whom didn’t recover from their symptoms for 3 months