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| Quote ="Barrieās Glass Eye"I understand the sentiment, but is there anyone in the academy ready for those minutes?'"
When everyone is fit he probably misses out anyway, unless Tet is now done after the stroke?
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| While it is disappointing to lose a young forward with plenty of potential, he is still realistically our 5th / 6th choice prop.
We should be looking to replace Tet with real quality and Mik, Tom and Lisone are all ahead of him.
He's getting minutes now because Tet and Holroyd/Sangare have been injured.
Be interesting to see how much game time he gets at Wigan.
He's certainly not ready to be a first choice prop yet.
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| Quote ="Simmo71"While it is disappointing to lose a young forward with plenty of potential, he is still realistically our 5th / 6th choice prop.
We should be looking to replace Tet with real quality and Mik, Tom and Lisone are all ahead of him.
He's getting minutes now because Tet and Holroyd/Sangare have been injured.
Be interesting to see how much game time he gets at Wigan.
He's certainly not ready to be a first choice prop yet.'"
I think they will play him at loose forward.
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| Not before Smithies
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| Mik,Holroyd,Lisone,Sangare and Ruan isn't bad but an injury or two and we are back to bare bones
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| Ruan isn't a prop
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"Mik,Holroyd,Lisone,Sangare and Ruan isn't bad but an injury or two and we are back to bare bones'"
For next year it will be those 4 plus Goudemand and I suspect Donaldson will fill in. I would not go that way but it could well happen.
I think at times Wigan may use Walters as a LF/ 3rd prop, the dreaded term āmiddleā. Itās a pity heās going because heās different to what we have and is having a year like OāConnor did last year where he comes on a lot.
His defence has improved and he is often slipping the first contact now, he did Vaughan once on Thursday.
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| Quote ="Seth"Ruan isn't a prop'"
Ah fair
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| Quote ="Sir Gregory ParsloeP"For next year it will be those 4 plus Goudemand and I suspect Donaldson will fill in. I would not go that way but it could well happen.
I think at times Wigan may use Walters as a LF/ 3rd prop, the dreaded term āmiddleā. Itās a pity heās going because heās different to what we have and is having a year like OāConnor did last year where he comes on a lot.
His defence has improved and he is often slipping the first contact now, he did Vaughan once on Thursday.'"
Only the coach knows why he has only decided to give him game time now, maybe if he'd had his chance earlier he would not have been looking elsewhere.
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| Do you still think big mick is better than walters?
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| Quote ="Chesterrhino"Do you still think big mick is better than walters?'"
The poster was right Big Mick isn't aggressive enough but had a safe game Walters offers more at the moment especially with his offloads.
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| Quote ="RAPIDO"The poster was right Big Mick isn't aggressive enough but had a safe game Walters offers more at the moment especially with his offloads.'"
Whilst Mikokaj hasnāt had the best season this year heās still only 24 and you are delusional if you think Walters is as good as him or Holroyd or ever will be.
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| Difficult to say who will turn out to be the better prop of the 3.
But this season Walters wins that argument hands down.
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| I think they all offer three very different things as props, and itās a shame weāre not keeping them together.
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| Holroyd was not mentioned you are the one who is delusional.
Are other posters not allowed to post their opinions that differ to yours.
Big mick does not have any mongrel in him unlike holroyd and he canāt ball handle.He has size and pace and does not use it .
Why did Shaun Wayne not use him and that man knows a good forward.
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| Big micks only 24 how old is walters?
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| Quote ="Chesterrhino"Holroyd was not mentioned you are the one who is delusional.
Are other posters not allowed to post their opinions that differ to yours.
Big mick does not have any mongrel in him unlike holroyd and he canāt ball handle.He has size and pace and does not use it .
Why did Shaun Wayne not use him and that man knows a good forward.'"
and yet Mik won player of the year twice in a row - basically carried the pack on his shoulders for stretches
what does Wane know exactly, look at his embarrasing picks in the world cup last season - lucky to still be in the job
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| Quote ="Chesterrhino"Holroyd was not mentioned you are the one who is delusional.
Are other posters not allowed to post their opinions that differ to yours.
Big mick does not have any mongrel in him unlike holroyd and he canāt ball handle.He has size and pace and does not use it .
Why did Shaun Wayne not use him and that man knows a good forward.'"
Mik had a shoulder injury he carried for part of that season ( along with our entire pack). He should have done a saints and got it fixed but clearly wanted to play for England.
Mik hasn't been great this year but he's also not had to carry us.
Hopefully next year he gets back to his best
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| Holroyd has everything to be a star, his return from missing most of last year has been pretty great.
Walters always wanted and needed more game time. Getting dropped after good performances wasn't taken well and I can't blame him for looking elsewhere.
He has stuff to work on but like the other two ro but age and desire is clearly on his side
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Whilst Mikokaj hasnāt had the best season this year heās still only 24 and you are delusional if you think Walters is as good as him or Holroyd or ever will be.'"
Walters will get more international call ups than Oledski as will Holroyd unfortunately big mick has the frame and athletic ability to be the best but just too nice to cut it.
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"Holroyd has everything to be a star, his return from missing most of last year has been pretty great.
Walters always wanted and needed more game time. Getting dropped after good performances wasn't taken well and I can't blame him for looking elsewhere.
He has stuff to work on but like the other two ro but age and desire is clearly on his side'"
Walters is in the middle of a purple patch at the moment. He's at his best when running second rows lines on the right hand side. As a pure prop he's not nearly as effective. Oledski, who is struggling to regain the very high standards of last year, still does most of the tough stuff especially when it comes to bringing the ball off the line. That's not to say I think getting rid of Walters is a good thing, just don't think he's a true prop at present.
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| He seems to be a backriwer in the process of transferring to prop.
Time will tell on him, just a shame we couldn't keep him another few years. I think he did enough this year to earn it and continue to develop under RS
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| I wonder if Holroyd's just really tired, mentally at least. He's played about the same number of games this season as the last five years in total for Leeds.
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| Same for O'Connor I bet.
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| Gutted Walters is leaving, so much potential
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