I do think we've been unlucky this season I think if we had have had Myler, Newman, Fusitua, Holroyd available we wouldn't be 1 from 6, neither would we if we didn't keep getting payers banned and sin binned. that is not an excuse though, we have a paper thin squad and lacking proper leadership, we should be able to cope with those injuries way way better.

As enjoyable as that film is I've thought for a while that it was
symptomatic of the malaise that was slowly overtaking the club. When you start commissioning and premiering films that celebrate your own greatness you're mentally putting your feet up. Meanwhile Saints had their nose to the grindstone.

Yes good points Chris. I think there's been a fundamental lack of quality coaching at Leeds in recent years which has led to poor recruitment, poor discipline and poor standards throughout the squad. It's high time that ended....

... But Agar did a good job overall and steadied the ship?

The Golden Decade DVD is great. It did seem all a bit self-congratulatory, but peak "look at us, we're awesome" was the Kiwi match.

Agree about the squad. Its unbalanced - no depth in some positions, overloaded in others and really far too many ordinary players with few if any reserves demanding selection through performances.

I still think we've got a good enough squad to at least be mid table if everyone puts in, but the lack of individual quality and effort should not be forgotten when contracts are up. Somehow we've got a number of players who not only lack ability but have shown repeatedly over several seasons that they fold at the first sign of pressure without somebody on the field to hold their hands.

It all goes back to recruitment, coaching and junior development. Based on the last five years we've failed pretty much everywhere.

He did steady the ship but he should have been replaced this season at the very latest imo, it was always mooted he was going into another role. TBH we should have brought in a top coach at the end of the season after he'd led us to safety. We were complacent again. I've always said on here i had my doubts about Agar and sadly they've been proven true.

To be fair to Agar whatever your assessment of his success or lack of as a coach he was employed on a 6 month rolling contract which is hardly a ringing endorsement from the club. It sends out the message that there is no long term plan or that we are looking to do things with minimal cost. Either way it is mismanagement at the top!

JJB stating that Broadbent didnt play because he wanted Tindall to get the gametime...Similar to the reason Agar gave weeks ago, Absolute farce. Are any of our coaches actually aware Broadbents a centre? And a better one than the rubbish pair we keep selecting. He shouldnt be in a battle with Tindall for a wing spot, he should be starting Centre.

No wonder we're in the hole we're in when rubbish performance continuously goes unchecked.

Those who watch regular academy how far off is Simpson?

He's an exciting talent with bags of potential, only 17 though, id say atleast 12/18 month away realistically.

Wasn’t Chev Walker himself already brilliant at 16 and knocking 18 stone blokes out from what I can remember…..!

We keep hearing about exciting 17 year olds, and how they're a year or so off first team. A year later they're still a year off. And again.

Edwards was supposed to be the next superstar according to the club, and nearly got a game in 2020. Today he seems further away from a game than he was then. Broadbent debuted 2 years ago and is still considered to be a higher risk than someone who isn't even a centre. Corey Hall wasn't getting anywhere at Leeds but within weeks at Wakefield he's probably only behind Newman of our other centre options.

Shocking youth development in those vital years from 16-20..

Completely agree. Some of the great players were given debuts aged 16 and onwards. You watch Corey Hall at Wakey and you do have to sigh…..
Keep hearing young players are ‘not readyi’, do better and safer to go with an old player out of position….

You have to remember that Hetherington decided to basically cut an entire 2 years of academy products which included lads like Iwan Stephens. That financial decision has now left us with a very young junior section and a reserve team now full of 17 year olds. It will take time to build back up.

We have real talent in the club but they are all 17 year old and need time to develop physically. Lads like Simpson, Lumb and Sinfield will all get the opportunity to come thru from the current 18s Edgell and Gatus also but if you think chucking them in against St Helens in this current team will benefit them you are way off. Corey Hall took some stick on here last year now hes lauded.

Its not true that we dont develop talent the current 1st team is full of academy products. In recent years weve brought Newman, Oledski, Walker, Smith through who we forget are still all very young. Broadbent should be starting ahead of Briscoe but needs to show more when he plays 1st team or reserves and is getting badly advised from away from the club. He needs to knuckle down and earn his place.

How many 17 year olds are currently running around in SL? Not very many and theres a reason for that.

Our issue will end up being now Gary has interferred again and we are now trying to recruit some kids to train and play on amateur deals will be getting the best kids to join Leeds.

I appreciate you are very I the know on young players, so will defer to your knowledge on this. It’s just so boring watching some of our work horses week in week out. That’s the issue….
I want to see if Broadbent is good enough. I’d rather see Tindall every week. I said last season not to judge young players in the odd game. They need at least a couple of months of getting picked . I’d play Smith at Hooker as we are desperate for some consistent passing from acting half….
O’Connor is ready to start at Loose. We some how need to spell pour threadbare props a bit more…..
I know these changes are not going to Make us get good, but at least gives a bit of a message….

Whilst there is relegation from Super League this will never happen.

That's why Im against P&R - but that's a whole separate debate!

Mate, we are going down if the same players keep getting picked. Toulouse are the only club worse than us, and they just beat Saints!

Chev was a monster physically at 16/17, Simpson isnt, he's got a good frame to grow into, but he's not there yet. One youngster doing somthing in 1999/2000 dosnt automatically mean another can or should be doing the same a couple of decades later.

How often have you seen Max Simpson play?

I’m not talking about the likes of Simpson. I think Broadbent and Corey Hall, even Tindall should have been way more used by now. We’d have learnt so much more……

You quoted my post about Max Simpson and compared it what Walker was doing at a similar age.

Broadbents a different matter, everybody, apart from our inept coaching staff, wants to see him selected and most think he's already better than the current starters.

Sorry I didn’t mean to compare to Max Simpson, I know absolutely nothing about him.

I'm guessing a decision's been made to let him go. Hard to fathom any other reason why he's not being picked if it's not that.

Matt Shaw reported new contract talks had stalled. Early days yet.

I honestly can’t (sounds convenient but honestly can’t!), so it will be radio…….