Take a look at the league table, 12 games played, Leeds and London are joint bottom.

As you said 12 games. Not even half a season. Only an idiot would think a game in May is a four pointer relegation.

If Leeds lost to London at Anfield and then again at London they may well turn out to be 4 pointers

Absolute. rubbish, having a salary cap brings everyone down to the lowest denomination, that is the team who have no money and relies on handouts from SKY to compete. And small crowds. It's not about snobbery it's about having a support base and quality marketing. We are the only sport where the successful teams subsidises the poorest teams and it's the sky sponsorship deal that is keeping this going. before you go off on one, think about this, scrap promotion and relegation and keep the salary cap, or keep promotion and relegation and scrap the salary cap. Clubs who win the grand final they get the biggest share of the pot of money the team at the bottom get the least. You know now that this does not favour the Rhinos as we sit on the bottom, but it allows us to spend what we want and when we want,
One point do you think in one of the so called big four get relegated, Wigan, Saints, Wires or Leeds then the next Sky deal will be the same, no it will be less or as I have been told Sky are likely to pull the plug on the sponsorship, where does that leave the clubs with no supporters. This is where the issues are, SL are trying to develop the game in contries outside the UK. Which team in SL would want to see Toronto replace Leeds or the like, every team in SL will lose money, it's the travelling supporters of the big clubs who give the small teams much needed cash. It's down to SL to sort this out and have a marketing strategy that develops the game in this country never mind abroad.
Finally to the chap who quoted the Bulls and their downfall, I suggest you take a look at their Management at the time and the huge court costs they occurred trying to defend signing Harris from a pre agreement that he would resign for Leeds , they lost the case and had to pay out £Millions in costs , that buggered up the Bulls, but for their marketing base they should be in SL, at the expense of other so called SL teams with no supporters or having cattle shed grounds

Nicely put you could also have mentioned that if Leeds in the past had not bought “small clubs” players those clubs would not have survived!

Very well said Brodie

Relegation 4 pointer? Just last weekend after Good Friday you said we could make the Grand Final.

Was a 2 point Easter Monday loss away to Wakey really the difference between winning the competition and leaving it????

Next four league games
Hull KR home
Salford away
Cas home
London Anfield

We have to win 3 out of four minimum, really all four are winnable and need some back to back wins. Anything less and we are in a straight dog fight to avoid the drop.

I don’t see London winning more than 3-4 more games this season. So if we could get 5-6 wins in the next 10 games we should have time to spare.

Relegation - PAH! In the 86/87 season Leeds avoided relegation on points difference and a mere 17 years later were Champions!

I think that some people if not up to big boy pants, need to come out of their nappies and in to Tena pants. Seriously they are far too much not in control. By the time we get to play London in September, I very much doubt there will be less than 12 points between us, and probably a couple of teams in between. Relegation is never in a million years going to happen. What is more important is how we use the rest of the season to plan for next.

And that is not aimed at you Batley.

I agree.

Haven't we already played Salford away and cas at home?

Yep. Idiotic fixture list.

Loop fixtures aren't perfect, but this (knowing your loop fixtures from day 1), is better than not knowing your loop fixtures until 23 games are played.

We ought to be targeting 3 wins out of the next 4 games. Anything less and we'll still be in the mire.

How many games do we need to play before you see relegation as a real threat?

But just 2 week ago you said we could make the Grand Final

If we’d have won against Wakefield and Salford we could have been targeting 5th place, which is a play off spot. We didn’t, we lost both those games. We are now well behind the main pack, in the relegation battle zone.

If we win our next league game you will be tipping us for Grsnd Final again. You a tad too reactionary mate in truth.

The team isn't anywhere near good enough but it isn't going to go down. Weve only a handful of away games to play now and will win enough at home to be well clear of London at the end of the year.

To be saying we could claim 5th and make Grand Finsl was ridiculous. This team is nowhere near.

Relegation is not a threat. Go change that nappy.

I am more concerned at how poop we are, and have been since 2015. It is how we go forward that interests me, and exactly why I was so vocal about McDermott for years, because this is what I always saw coming. I have seen things in place now to change that long term, but it is long term, and we need to stop continuing with no hopers in the mean time.

To be honest other than Saints and Warrington, no other teams have looked impressive this year. If we had a quick change in form they are all beatable, the trouble is our form is not changing.

If we continue losing games to the likes of Wakefield and Salford, we will be relying on London not picking up wins to stay up.

So your tipping anything from winning the competition to relegation still. I guess you have covered all bases well and truly there then.

That game on the 1st September is looking like it might be interesting.