Who said anything about you? Your pretty irrelevant pal to this, as with anything else.

OK, cheers. Does that mean you'll leave me alone now then?

I'm waiting until nearer the season start. I usually predict early and just end up wanting to edit it again weeks later so I'll wait this time.

And it's nothing to do with Leeds as I've already made my views on how they'll do known, it's 3/4 other teams i'm still not certain about where to place.

Actually credit where it is due there mate. You didn't bite and your response is perfectly fair. Good luck to you.

Wow

1: Warrington
2: Leeds
3: Wigan
4: Castleford
5: St Helens
6: Hull
7: Catalan
8: Widnes

9: Leigh
10: Huddersfield
11: Salford
12: Wakefield

the final top 4 play off sides will be
1: Warrington
2: Leeds
3: Wigan
4: St Helens

the 4 sides that will rejoin sl in 2018 will be

9: Leigh
10: Huddersfield
11: Hull KR
12: Wakefield

gf winner: Warrington
cc winner: Leeds

1: Warrington
2: Leeds
3: Wigan
4: Hull
5: Catalan
6: Castleford
7: St Helens
8: Wakefield

9: Leigh
10: Huddersfield
11: Salford
12: Widnes

slightly random

but Catalans can flatter to deceive.
Widnes just have not got the squad or quality but will battle hard.
wakey always over achieve and flatter to deceive in a different way.
think saints are over rated and too hot n cold.
we could be anywhere from 1st to 8th but will be in top 8.
cas there about but not top 4 if they do sneak 4th they will need some luck.
Huddersfield 6-8 year run as a top 4-5 side is well over i think.

*cough*

1 Wigan
2 Warrington
3 hull fc
4 Castleford
5 St Helens
6 leeds
7 Salford
8 Leigh
9 Catalan
10 Huddersfield
11 Wakefield
12 widnes

Top 4
Wigan
Warrington
Hull fc
Castleford

Stay in Sl
Catalan
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Hull kr

Cc Wigan
Gf Warrington

1: Warrington
2: Wigan
3: St Helens
4: Castleford
5: Leeds
6: Hull
7: Huddersfield
8: Widnes

9: Leigh
10: Catalans
11: Wakefield
12: Salford

Top 4 play off sides
1: Warrington
2: Wigan
3: Castleford
4: St Helens

the 4 sides that re-join SL in 2018 will be

9: Catalans
10: Leigh
11: Salford
12: Wakefield

GF winner: Wigan
CC winner: Castleford

1 - Warrington
2 - Wigan
3 - Leeds
4 - Hull
5 - Cas
6 - Saints
7 - Catalans
8 - Wakey
9 - Hudds
10 - Salford
11 - Leigh
12 - Widnes

Playoffs
1 - Warrington
2 - Wigan
3 - Leeds
4 - Hull

Teams to come back up
Hudds
Salford
Leigh
HKR

GF - Warrington
CC - Wigan

Those putting Leeds in top 2 know something i don't? Taking into consideration we have finished top 2 once since 2009.

1: Wigan Warriors (LLS)
2: Warrington Wolves
3: Castleford Tigers
4: Hull FC
5: St Helens
6: Leeds Rhinos
7: Salford Red Devils
8: Leigh Centurions

9: Catalan Dragons
10: Wakefield Trinity
11: Huddersfield Giants
12: Widnes Vikings

Top 4 play off sides
1:Wigan Warriors
2: Warrington Wolves
3: Castleford Tigers
4: Hull FC

The 4 sides that re-join SL in 2018 will be

9: Catalan Dragons
10: Wakefield Trinity
11: Huddersfield Giants
12: Hull KR

GF winner:Wigan Warriors
CC winner:Wigan Warriors

Warrington
Saints
Wigan
Cas
Hull
Leeds
Catalan
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Widnes
Leigh

GF- Saints
CC- Cas

HKR to replace Widnes

1 Wire
2 Wigan
3 hull
4 Cas
5 Saints
6. Leeds
7. Cats
8. Hudds
9. Wakey
10. Leigh
11. Salford
12 widnes

Top 4

Wire
Wigan
Hull
Saints

Returning

Bottom 4 swapping Widnes for KR

GF Wire
CC saints

Somebody is missing?

I know you don't mean me Sal, but I'll have a go anyway...



1. Warrington Wolves
2. Wigan Warriors
3. Castleford Tigers
4. St Helens
5. Hull FC
6. Catalans Dragons
7. Huddersfield Giants
8. Leeds Rhinos
9. Wakefield Trinity
10. Leigh Centurions
11. Salford Reds
12. Widnes Vikings

LLS: Warrington Wolves
GF: Warrington Wolves
CC: Castleford Tigers

Play offs as per top 4. 4 back up to SL as per those that go into middle 8's.

Still working on all his caveats.

Is that an alternative to a tie?

1: Warrington Wolves
2: Castleford Tigers
3: Leeds Rhinos
4: Wigan Warriors
5: Hull FC
6: St Helens
7: Huddersfield Giants
8: Salford Red Devils
9: Catalan Dragons
10: Wakefield Trinity
11: Leigh Centurions
12: Widnes Vikings

Top 4 play off sides
1:Wigan Warriors
2: Warrington Wolves
3: Castleford Tigers
4: Leeds

The 4 sides that re-join SL in 2018 will be

9: Catalan Dragons
10: Wakefield Trinity
11: Huddersfield Giants
12: Hull KR

GF winner:Castleford
CC winner:Leeds

1 – Wigan
2 - Warrington
3 - Hull
4 - Cas
5 – Saints
6 - Leeds
7 - Catalans
8 - Wakey
9 - Leigh
10 - Hudds
11 - Widnes
12 - Salford

Playoffs
1 - Wigan
2 - Warrington
3 - Cas
4 - Hull

Teams to come back up
Leigh
Hudds
Widnes
HKR

GF - Wigan
CC - Warrington

In the spirit of optimism borne from last season's embarrassment to the players' egos & that this will be some players' last hurrah, I am going with:

Wigan
Warrington
Leeds
Hull
Saints
Castleford
Catalans
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Leigh
Widnes
Salford

Top 4:
Wigan
Warrington
Leeds
Hull

Teams to return:
Wakefield
Leigh
Widnes
HKR

GF: Leeds
CC: Wigan

Regular Season

Warrington
Wigan
Castleford
Leeds
Hull FC
Saints
Catalans
Hudds
Salford
Wakefield
Leigh
Widnes

Play Offs
-----------
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
Hull

Middle 8s top 4
------------------
Salford
Wakefield
Leigh
Hull KR

GF Warrington
CC Castleford
MPG: Hull KR v Widnes with Hull KR to win promotion.

Are you referring to me wanting to see what happened with Segeyaro before making a prediction last year?
If so, can you please explain how that's any different to you saying....

[uTranslation[/u: I therefore predicted a caveat-free 9th earlier in this thread since 9th just happens, by magic obviously, to be situated between 8th and 10th.

Your confusion is duly noted however.