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| Why can't the SL teams perhaps send a team over for the 9's tourney instead?
The Aussies are only interested playing with and amongst themselves, we all know what that makes them.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"You get the competition up to scratch by focusing on it, not playing the Aussies and hoping it has some knock on effect.
If the Aussies took it seriously with strongest teams they'd comfortably win and all you'll have achieved is making our competition and top teams look poor and inferior on a larger scale.....that'll do way more harm than good for SL. If the Aussies send 2nd string teams then people will see through it as meaningless.'" You improve by testing yourself, by exposing your weaknesses and strengthening them. You don't improve by just playing at an inferior level and hiding from the challenge.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"First year I'm sure you'll get better coverage but after that it's massively dependent on the results which let's be realistic are only really going to be one of two scenarios
1 - Aussies go full strength and batter us and after 2/3 years of all NRL finals and SF's the coverage will drop like a stone
2 - The Aussies send their reserves and people lose interest in it because of the understrength NRL teams making the competition meaningless.
Those are the two very highly likely outcomes and both will see the competition dead in the water after 3/4 years and in scenario 1 you'll have actually done more harm than good to the SL competition.'"
As i said, being scared is the worst reason not to do it.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"As i said, being scared is the worst reason not to do it.'"
Being delusional about the harm it'll do our competition is the worst reason to do it.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You improve by testing yourself, by exposing your weaknesses and strengthening them. You don't improve by just playing at an inferior level and hiding from the challenge.'"
Yeah playing and beating Brisbane this year really improve Warrington didn't it.
Our top teams have been playing WCC's again for almost 20 years yet our best teams are deemed nowhere near as good as there were 10-15 years ago so shows the pointlessness of your theory.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Being delusional about the harm it'll do our competition is the worst reason to do it.'"
I agree, good job no-one is suggesting that as a good reason to do it then isnt it.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Yeah playing and beating Brisbane this year really improve Warrington didn't it.
Our top teams have been playing WCC's again for almost 20 years yet our best teams are deemed nowhere near as good as there were 10-15 years ago so shows the pointlessness of your theory.'"
Yeah, definitely. Good argument mate.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif Yeah, definitely. Good argument mate.'"
That that's all you could muster in reply shows that it was a good argument that you had no response to.
I'm also still waiting to hear how we're going to convince the NRL and it's top teams to break up its season for a month so they can come and play in this tournament. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they got asked that......they'll just about manage to say "sod off" in between the laughing.
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| Here we go! The Chuckle Brothers here to entertain you right through to next February!
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"That that's all you could muster in reply shows that it was a good argument that you had no response to.'" If believing that makes it easier for you, your welcome to continue to believe it. You would be wrong, but when has that ever stopped you before.
Quote I'm also still waiting to hear how we're going to convince the NRL and it's top teams to break up its season for a month so they can come and play in this tournament. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they got asked that......they'll just about manage to say "sod off" in between the laughing.'" £
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| Quite like the idea of charity shield type game v Hull
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"£'"
It would take a silly amount of money to convince them, they wouldn't do it for peanuts. We aren't exactly a financially rich sport in the UK and what money we do have shouldn't be gifted to the NRL and some of its teams to embarrass our top teams.
You'd be spending A LOT of money on something that'll hurt our competition.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"It would take a silly amount of money to convince them, they wouldn't do it for peanuts. We aren't exactly a financially rich sport in the UK and what money we do have shouldn't be gifted to the NRL and some of its teams to embarrass our top teams.
You'd be spending A LOT of money on something that'll hurt our competition.'"
Think small time, get small time. Its not really a lot of money.
The 97 competition which was poorly planned and poorly executed and contained 83 games only lost about £2m. Since then the value of sports rights have risen hugely, the cost of travel has fallen massively, both leagues have adapted to full professionalism.
And again, i dont think fear of losing is a good reason not to play. It is a terrible reason not to play.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"If its not melbourne i have little interest personally in the game.its just an unwanted destraction for the first couple of months of the year, we need to hit the ground running with the big lancashire clubs likely to be much improved in this year.'"
Agree.
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"Quite like the idea of charity shield type game v Hull'"
Yeah, why not. It was a regular fixture back in the day. It was held at a variety of venues; the Okells Bowl in Douglas on the Isle of Man was used initially with some regularity.
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| I went to at least a couple of them, but they were hardly mega successful.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Think small time, get small time. Its not really a lot of money.
The 97 competition which was poorly planned and poorly executed and contained 83 games only lost about £2m. Since then the value of sports rights have risen hugely, the cost of travel has fallen massively, both leagues have adapted to full professionalism.
And again, i dont think fear of losing is a good reason not to play. It is a terrible reason not to play.'"
It will cost a lot to tempt them over here for a month because they don't need it. What's in it for NRL teams apart from disrupting their season? They've got tv deals themselves and they won't want to turn around and say we'll stop the season for a month so 4 teams can go to the UK.
They barely want to come over for a single game pre season, 4 or 5 games mid season you'd have to offer silly money to tempt them.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"It will cost a lot to tempt them over here for a month because they don't need it. What's in it for NRL teams apart from disrupting their season? They've got tv deals themselves and they won't want to turn around and say we'll stop the season for a month so 4 teams can go to the UK.
They barely want to come over for a single game pre season, 4 or 5 games mid season you'd have to offer silly money to tempt them.'"
If their TV deal was enough they wouldnt be moaning to the NRL for more money would they.
Some NRL clubs are more than comfortable, many arent. Can we get the NRL clubs over yes, we have proved time and again we can. The cost is about £100k for the current comp. These arent insurmountable sums, nor are they insurmountable hurdles to it.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"If their TV deal was enough they wouldnt be moaning to the NRL for more money would they.
Some NRL clubs are more than comfortable, many arent. Can we get the NRL clubs over yes, we have proved time and again we can. The cost is about £100k for the current comp. These arent insurmountable sums, nor are they insurmountable hurdles to it.'"
They aren't happy with the current tv deal but it's still way beyond the amounts we have in our country.
Getting one or two clubs over in preseason is one thing, getting 4 over mid season and putting their season on hold is way way different. Even you really should admit that, it would take way too much money than is sensible especially for something that you have to admit may not be successful.
The money it would take for the NRL to put its season on hold is way too much, they're way ahead of us in money terms and why we can't keep hold off ours or attract their best players. We'd not only have to match their to deal but better it for a competition they know they'd win and take place in the early hours local time.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"They aren't happy with the current tv deal but it's still way beyond the amounts we have in our country.'" And?
Quote Getting one or two clubs over in preseason is one thing, getting 4 over mid season and putting their season on hold is way way different. Even you really should admit that, it would take way too much money than is sensible especially for something that you have to admit may not be successful.'" Not really. The money is the money. If it is worth it they will do it. The same as anything. The NRL and their clubs dont have some fundamental attachment to their current format.
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The money it would take for the NRL to put its season on hold is way too much, they're way ahead of us in money terms and why we can't keep hold off ours or attract their best players. We'd not only have to match their to deal but better it for a competition they know they'd win and take place in the early hours local time.'" Too much is relative. It is only too much if its costs outweigh its benefits.
that they would definitely win is not certain, and even less certain on an ongoing basis. That it would have to take place in the early hours of their morning is also not set in stone.
There are a million and one options that we have for the format of any interhemisphere competition, how we sell it, who we would be selling it to.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":2xwoeh5vAnd? '" :2xwoeh5v
And if they aren't happy with that then they aren't coming over here for peanuts are they.
Quote ="SnokeyTA":2xwoeh5vNot really. The money is the money. If it is worth it they will do it. The same as anything. The NRL and their clubs dont have some fundamental attachment to their current format.
Too much is relative. It is only too much if its costs outweigh its benefits.'"
It would do if you want it to be a success in this country which was the whole idea. You do realise the time difference between us and Australia don't you? Maybe we could kick off games here at 7am....winning idea.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"And if they aren't happy with that then they aren't coming over here for peanuts are they.'" Who is offering them peanuts?
Quote What is the benefit to the NRL and it's teams apart from offering them lots of money
'" well besides money, visibility, prestige, access to the second biggest RL market in the world, access to the 5th and 6th biggest economies in the world.
Quote No, but 95% certain means it's a ridiculous competition for us to try organise at great cost.'" Anthony Joshua is currently 1/40 on to beat Carlos Takam. The cost of organising that fight will be many many many many many many times that of putting on an RL match between an SL club and a NRL club.
Quote It would do if you want it to be a success in this country which was the whole idea. You do realise the time difference between us and Australia don't you? Maybe we could kick off games here at 7am....winning idea.'" Why not make it a success in both countries? You do realise 12pm in london is only 10pm in Sydney dont you? You do realise there is about to be a world cup in Australia don't you, and you will be able to watch it right?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Who is offering them peanuts?'"
The hostesses in first class on the way over?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Who is offering them peanuts?'"
You if you think they'll come over for a little bit extra than what they get for 1 game in preseason.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"well besides money, visibility, prestige, access to the second biggest RL market in the world, access to the 5th and 6th biggest economies in the world.'"
They'd have been over here already in droves if they were interested in that. RL in this country is struggling to attract fans to its own teams let alone showing an interest in Australian teams.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Anthony Joshua is currently 1/40 on to beat Carlos Takam. The cost of organising that fight will be many many many many many many times that of putting on an RL match between an SL club and a NRL club.'"
A late replacement for what was a mandatory fight is hardly the sane.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why not make it a success in both countries? You do realise 12pm in london is only 10pm in Sydney dont you? You do realise there is about to be a world cup in Australia don't you, and you will be able to watch it right?'"
Yes I and most of its target audience will be able to watch England vs Australia in the World Cup......if we take a days holiday from work because it takes place at 10am on a Friday. Only highlighted the problem there mate. One of your big selling points was to market it and organise it correctly and yet you've just suggested a really rubbish kick off time.
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