What was Leigh's defence like in 2005?

I said game, not team, referring to both teams not just one. Both laughable.

Yes and Leigh are one of those teams in that game, so what was their defence like when they were last in SL just over a decade ago, or Wigan's that same SL season when they lost to us and Saints in consecutive weeks 70-0 & 75-0? Let's not forget they've got half a team out as most do nowadays which simply wasn't happening 5-10 years ago, hell in 2005 we lost one single player in Senior and it all went t*ts up for us.

What was Leeds attack like?

that's some revisionist e right there. Our centres in the 2005 grand final were an GB international and a Queensland and Australia rep. On the opposite side were an NRL winner and a player who go on to.win that years tri nations for NZ.

I note that the oval are proposing to spend 50 million on a ground re-vamp.

I know who our centres were in the 2005 GF, doesn't stop the fact that as soon as Senior got hurt our season and performances went downhill fast and his absence was considered the key factor. So we can hardly be dismissive of teams struggling with multiple injuries today and the affect it has on their performances when Leeds couldn't even cope with 1 injury back in 2005 and threw away a treble in the process.

according to andrew dunneman they lost because Smith flogged them every day in training. no rotation, no days off, no easy days. come grand final they had nothing left

As I said revisionist . Chris McKenna is a better 3rd choice centre than anyone has in SL today. We lost because we played a pretty good side that included Hape, Vianokolo, Harris, Deacon, Fielden and Peacock Robbie Paul and Adrian Morely. Not to mention Radford Vagana and Meyers

You couldn't put a pack together from every team in SL right now that could hold a candle to Bradfords in 2005. There are few if any centres in SL as good as Hape in 05 and there are even fewer halves of the quality of Harris or Deacon

Some on here think SL is a better standard than it was in those days.

It's not solely about the GF though is it because we lost 5 of our last 7 as soon as Senior got injured compared to 10 wins from the previous 11.

And I like most agree that the better teams were better then than today as the league has levelled out (the lower teams aren't as poor). The point is you can't properly compared the standard in 2017 using a game between two teams both missing 7/8 starters against a period that didn't see anything like those injury numbers. Just one injury affected Leeds badly (Saints didn't reach the GF too after Newton took out a couple of their guys including Long) so what would the standard of 2005 era been f those top teams were regularly playing minus 6/7/8 first teamers.

You have managed to disprove your own argument once again.

Your argument is that SL is better now because there is more strength in depth throughout the league. Your argument in favour of this is that in 2005 Leeds lost a GB international centre and replaced him with a Queensland state of origin and Australian international centre and it wasn't enough.

You further compounds your nonsense by highlighting St Helens losing quality players like Long and Sculthorpe and replacing them with Wilkin and Roby also weren't good enough.

Oh shut up with your usual babbling nonsense after you've read what you've want to read to have an argument.

Not once have I said SL is better now but you've just accused me of it. My argument is you can't properly compare the standards because of the very varying injury numbers teams had.

Read that last sentence repeatedly instead of making up something else in your head because I can't be bothered getting into one of your arguments because you misread and misinterpreted the point being made, that's your failing not mine.

ThePointscorer tries to shift the goalposts again.

here we go again