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Bbc as usual creaming their pants over"rugby" the standard is e, players like Kallum Watkins Greg Inglis, Tom briscoe etr etr would rip up those teams.
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Quote Does anyone remember the standard of sports (of all kinds) coverage pre-Sky? - so there's one area for starters where they have not driven up standards (you might want to revise your use of the phrase "across the board" above?)'" Did you know that the BBC's production and technical expertise means that other countries are paying for the BBC's coverage of the olympics?
Quote Costume dramas & natural history are the only things they appear pretty decent at. Wow wee. Oh, and using other people's money.'" And yet BBC worldwide sells over £1b worth of programming per year to other broadcasters.
Quote Whilst the BBC were critically important to world news pre-1980s they are now only as relevant as any other independent news broadcaster. CNN led the way to 24-hour news channels, online news was not pioneered by the BBC.
If we were having this debate in 1968 I think you would have a good argument; not in 2016.'" And yet the BBC is regularly seen as more trusted by both Britons and those in other countries.
Quote My "State TV" comment was said tongue-in-cheek.
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'" You can choose not to receive it, you can choose not to benefit from the infrastructure and industry it created.
Quote Purely subjective & misses the point entirely. It doesn't matter if it's good value for money or not, nor whether it offers high quality output. Should someone feel that it might not be, what option do they have? Other than getting rid of all radios & TV's from their house? At least Mr Murdoch doesn't demand everyone has to pay to watch ANY television programmes. He lives & dies by the quality of his output. Not so the BBC.'" The invisible hand of the market doesnt exist. Sometimes we can have better things and cheaper than when profit isnt the sole priority and when sales arent the arbiter of success. Profit is not an indicator of quality. |
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There is a professional 7's circuit with high quality coaches and very specialised players competing. Simple fact is that most watching it don't understand what's going on. Too many remembering 20 odd years ago when Wigan rocked up and at an amateur domestic tournament that was widely considered a bit of fun by Union clubs.
There are reasons they run the angles they run and why they throw long flat passes. Also, anyone noticed how the breakdown is reffed? It's brutal so you can't get isolated with the ball - especially in a game where possession is everything. Some of the comments in this thread are what I would expect an ignorant rah rah to come out with after watching a game of rugby league.
Also, criticism of the "quality" on offer is highly ironic considering the total cack dealt up by "Super"league and in particular, Leeds, this year.
Anyone who is surprised that John Inverdale is positive about the sport he commentates on needs to take some tablets. Inverdale gets in my t1ts as well but it's his sport, what the f*** do you expect him to say?
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| Quote ="DHM"There is a professional 7's circuit with high quality coaches and very specialised players competing. Simple fact is that most watching it don't understand what's going on. Too many remembering 20 odd years ago when Wigan rocked up and at an amateur domestic tournament that was widely considered a bit of fun by Union clubs.
There are reasons they run the angles they run and why they throw long flat passes. Also, anyone noticed how the breakdown is reffed? It's brutal so you can't get isolated with the ball - especially in a game where possession is everything. Some of the comments in this thread are what I would expect an ignorant rah rah to come out with after watching a game of rugby league.
Also, criticism of the "quality" on offer is highly ironic considering the total cack dealt up by "Super"league and in particular, Leeds, this year.
Anyone who is surprised that John Inverdale is positive about the sport he commentates on needs to take some tablets. Inverdale gets in my t1ts as well but it's his sport, what the f*** do you expect him to say?
Looks like GB will come away with at least a silver now after "upping their game" to beat SA.'"
Typical "you don't know what you're talking about" response when someone criticises.
The attack again still wasn't good, and I'd say South Africa were actually the better team but GB did produce some very good stops in defence.
And I didn't say I was surprised by what Inverdale said, just mentioned what he did say. Eddie and co sprout stuff like that every week and I don't see anyone defending them saying "oh what do you expect them to say?"
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There are reasons they run the angles they run and why they throw long flat passes. Also, anyone noticed how the breakdown is reffed? It's brutal so you can't get isolated with the ball - especially in a game where possession is everything. Some of the comments in this thread are what I would expect an ignorant rah rah to come out with after watching a game of rugby league.
Also, criticism of the "quality" on offer is highly ironic considering the total cack dealt up by "Super"league and in particular, Leeds, this year.
Anyone who is surprised that John Inverdale is positive about the sport he commentates on needs to take some tablets. Inverdale gets in my t1ts as well but it's his sport, what the f*** do you expect him to say?
Looks like GB will come away with at least a silver now after "upping their game" to beat SA.'"
Well ill bow to your superior tactical knowledge but to me it looks like a huge amount of space been wasted and overlaps been blown.
There have been plenty of situations where i would expect a league or Super Rugby team to score where the ball hasnt even progressed forward.
With regards specifically to avoiding turnovers, i can understand that being a consideration, but there has been numerous times there has been an open side three on three or four on four where either an arcing run to draw a man or a pass and straighten up will bring the defence in wouldnt isolate anyone but instead the ball is looped out a couple of times and the winger then gets tackled without progress. The 'set play' GB ran against Argentina was a nonsense. |
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I watched the premiership 7s final at the weekend and was surprised at how the games seemed to be played. As mentioned above lots of lateral movement, long wide passes and an emphasis on hitting the pace in the wing. after amending a day watching that I concluded that the chanhe in numbers and the affect that has on energy, the breakdown and set pieces name that the game is played in a different way to the other forms of rugby. Judging it by the Rugby played in superleague or the premiership is like comparing different cycling race types
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I'll stick with my view on the GB 7's team I think. Granted Fiji played really well but watching GB attack in comparison was awful. Just passing along the line to a static man who took one step sideways then passed to the next static man who took one step sideways then passed until they got to the wing who doesn't have an overlap because they didn't bother to work one.
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Funny listening to people say that League players would "rip up" that Olympic sevens tournament.
Jarryd Hayne couldn't even get in the Fijian squad.
Union 7s is all about tying in defenders then moving the ball into space. You get tackled in possession and you are in big trouble. Given the passing standards of some of the supposedly better players in SL, it's absolute rubbish to suggest it would be a walk in the park for them.
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It's a power game now. Big, very fit guys looking to get there arms beyond a defender and offload. I'm pretty sure that's why NZ gambled on SBW. Also, they are trying to hit really hard in the tackle and win a turnover. Watching the Fijians tonight, they are so strong they don't get put to ground. Offload rather than a contest after a tackle. 7's is very, very tiring. A very fit 15 a side player would take at least 12 months to adapt. Tactics with the ball are a combination of tiring the defence, managing the clock and probing for a defensive error. You also can't go balls out the whole game and you have to keep the ball.
GB have done amazingly well. England have not been strong on the circuit for a couple of years now, Wales and Scotland rarely trouble the better teams. The whole has definitely exceeded the sum of the parts.
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Men against boys! Still MBEs all round!
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Gas defence was woeful - tackling technique was frankly embarrassing as was their inability to recycle the ball at the breakdown.
However on far more important note Yorkshire made the finals in the 20/20 - David Willey take a bow
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Id not seen fiji play before but knew they were the leading 7s team, but you can see why. They were mych more direct than anyone else ive seen play and I guess they are well suited to play a game based on strength as long as their fitness can handle it. It clearly can, and they looked a class apart. It really looked like men against boys, and the gb lads just couldnt complete a tackle and were ripped apart on the back of that
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Fijian rugby has been revolutionised by Ben Ryan's arrival. They had very much an amateur attitude in a professional era, in terms of the players lifestyle off the field. He's sorted that out and got them focused on their rugby first and foremost now.
With the pace and power they have, if Fiji could master the setpieces they could really become a major force in the fifteen a side game.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fijian rugby has been revolutionised by Ben Ryan's arrival. They had very much an amateur attitude in a professional era, in terms of the players lifestyle off the field. He's sorted that out and got them focused on their rugby first and foremost now.
With the pace and power they have, if Fiji could master the setpieces they could really become a major force in the fifteen a side game.'"
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fijian rugby has been revolutionised by Ben Ryan's arrival. They had very much an amateur attitude in a professional era, in terms of the players lifestyle off the field. He's sorted that out and got them focused on their rugby first and foremost now.
With the pace and power they have, if Fiji could master the setpieces they could really become a major force in the fifteen a side game.'"
Ben Ryan has added a missing piece, but 7's was pretty much the Fijian nation national sport already. They had been the team to beat for the last 20 odd years but the game started to change and they got left behind a little. Ryan has brought them in line with other countries and the power game rather than fast and loose.
I think if SA had made the final the result might have been different. SA are very strong also and only just below Fiji in the rankings in 2nd.
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Good stuff from the rowers - lifts us above the aussies in the medals table.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Good stuff from the rowers - lifts us above the aussies in the medals table.'"
Yep with the rowing and the track cycling starting will really help us bring in the medals. What's been good is that we've won medals or come close to in so many different sports and not just a select few. The heptalthon is already looking promising after 2 events for both Ennis-Hill and Katarina Johnson-Thompson.
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Im remain thoroughly unconvinced that I was watching some subtle tactical masterclass in the 7s, that just looked like a lack of basic rugby skills.
Fiji's performance if anything simply proved what i was saying and a GB side which conceded next to nothing in their previous games got 40 points put on them by a fiji side who ran direct, ran at the gaps, and went forwards not laterally.
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Congratulations, you have named one country. Only another 195 to visit to research the strengths or otherwise of their broadcasters.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Did you know that the BBC's production and technical expertise means that other countries are paying for the BBC's coverage of the olympics?'"
But you stated "The BBC drives up standards across the board". I quite clearly gave an example of where it hadn't driven up standards & then invited you to withdraw the "across the board comment". You have chosen to ignore this, which I can only assume is an admission of error. I know from previous ramblings on here that you are stubborn individual, so I shan't expect a specific reply to this omission.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"And yet BBC worldwide sells over £1b worth of programming per year to other broadcasters.
And yet the BBC is regularly seen as more trusted by both Britons and those in other countries.'"
If it is so incredibly successful, why does it need to extract £145.50 from every household in the UK per year?
Quote ="SmokeyTA"But it is hugely wrong so needed correcting.'"
Um, OK. Try smiling, you'll feel much better for it.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"You can choose not to receive it, you can choose not to benefit from the infrastructure and industry it created.'"
Ah, but as you well know I cannot choose not to receive the BBC, but watch Sky & other terrestrial channels instead. That, to me, is a gross misuse of power handed to it by successive governments.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"The invisible hand of the market doesnt exist. Sometimes we can have better things and cheaper than when profit isnt the sole priority and when sales arent the arbiter of success. Profit is not an indicator of quality.'"
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British swimming's response to having it's funding slashed after London was to produce it's best ever Olympics.
Do you think the Aussies will try the "only good at sports where you're sat down" gag again if we dominate the cycling?
It's been a strange one for me as I've been on holiday this week just kicking around the house so I've been watching a lot of it. Was thinking about the emptiness of a lot of the venues, seems tragic compared to the total sell outs in London. Surely there are masses of locals who would have filled cut price or free seats and upped the atmosphere. Even when Brazil were playing in the women's beach volleyball today the venue was virtually empty. I appreciate that there wasn't anything the organisers could have done about Zica but surely a key part of the highly competitive bidding process must be about filling seats? Naive child that I am I ignore the fact the whole process is bent. Brazil must have spent all the cash on bribes to get the World Cup and Olympics.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Im remain thoroughly unconvinced that I was watching some subtle tactical masterclass in the 7s, that just looked like a lack of basic rugby skills.
Fiji's performance if anything simply proved what i was saying and a GB side which conceded next to nothing in their previous games got 40 points put on them by a fiji side who ran direct, ran at the gaps, and went forwards not laterally.
I think you also have to accept that the GB tackling was terrible'"
Like I said, Fiji are ranked 1 in the world the best ranking of a GB nation is 8th. Rather than slagging off the final performance we should be celebrating a great silver medal for a totally unfancied GB team who played well above themselves to even get out of their group (Kenya are ranked higher).
England, Wales and Scotland just aren't very strong at the moment. I also think all the emotion and effort was blown in the semi. They looked gassed before they even started the final.
Teams like the All Blacks who dominated 7's until a couple of years ago, use the tour as a place to look at juniors and younger potential star players. English clubs won't do that, so 7's players are generally guys that like the lifestyle and probably don't fit in 15 a side so well.
For Fiji it's a little bit the other way around.
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Whatever GB cycling put into the water every four years ahead of the Olympics, there must be a lot of coaches in different sports wishing they could borrow some.
Absolute masters of peaking at exactly the right time, whether it's the sprint or endurance boys.
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Quote ="son of headingley"Congratulations, you have named one country. Only another 195 to visit to research the strengths or otherwise of their broadcasters.'" Canada? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ating.html
Australia? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ating.html
It may offend your fragile randian sensibilities but the BBC, and its sports coverage, are admired the world over.
Quote But you stated "The BBC drives up standards across the board". I quite clearly gave an example of where it hadn't driven up standards & then invited you to withdraw the "across the board comment". You have chosen to ignore this, which I can only assume is an admission of error. I know from previous ramblings on here that you are stubborn individual, so I shan't expect a specific reply to this omission.'" No you didnt, you pointed out you like sky's coverage better, i pointed out that the BBC's technical and production expertise are so admired other countries pay for them.
Quote If it is so incredibly successful, why does it need to extract £145.50 from every household in the UK per year?
'" Because it does far more than simply £1b worth of business. Including being one of the largest investors in british tv production by far, creating a mutli-billion pound industry that the UK sells throughout the world. Things the private companies simply dont do.
Quote Um, OK. Try smiling, you'll feel much better for it.'" Try not lying. It will make you look less stupid.
Quote Ah, but as you well know I cannot choose not to receive the BBC, but watch Sky & other terrestrial channels instead. That, to me, is a gross misuse of power handed to it by successive governments.'" You wouldnt have Sky or the other terrestrial channels without the BBC. They simply wouldnt exist.
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It may offend your fragile randian sensibilities but the BBC, and its sports coverage, are admired the world over.
Quote But you stated "The BBC drives up standards across the board". I quite clearly gave an example of where it hadn't driven up standards & then invited you to withdraw the "across the board comment". You have chosen to ignore this, which I can only assume is an admission of error. I know from previous ramblings on here that you are stubborn individual, so I shan't expect a specific reply to this omission.'" No you didnt, you pointed out you like sky's coverage better, i pointed out that the BBC's technical and production expertise are so admired other countries pay for them.
Quote If it is so incredibly successful, why does it need to extract £145.50 from every household in the UK per year?
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Quote Um, OK. Try smiling, you'll feel much better for it.'" Try not lying. It will make you look less stupid.
Quote Ah, but as you well know I cannot choose not to receive the BBC, but watch Sky & other terrestrial channels instead. That, to me, is a gross misuse of power handed to it by successive governments.'" You wouldnt have Sky or the other terrestrial channels without the BBC. They simply wouldnt exist.
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| Quote ="DHM"Like I said, Fiji are ranked 1 in the world the best ranking of a GB nation is 8th. Rather than slagging off the final performance we should be celebrating a great silver medal for a totally unfancied GB team who played well above themselves to even get out of their group (Kenya are ranked higher).
England, Wales and Scotland just aren't very strong at the moment. I also think all the emotion and effort was blown in the semi. They looked gassed before they even started the final.
Teams like the All Blacks who dominated 7's until a couple of years ago, use the tour as a place to look at juniors and younger potential star players. English clubs won't do that, so 7's players are generally guys that like the lifestyle and probably don't fit in 15 a side so well.
For Fiji it's a little bit the other way around.
GB were smart and determined in the early rounds and worked incredibly hard to over achieve but were rightly put in their place by the excellent Fijians.'"
im delighted that we won silver. Those guys have something ill never have and have achieved something i wont.
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Well done you! You've managed to find one Australian article where a few people have claimed their Olympics coverage is not up to scratch. That must prove that the BBC is far superior in every way in all sports coverage. That's two down & 194 countries left (though you may have to do better than a few anecdotal quotes).
Quote ="SmokeyTA"No you didnt, you pointed out you like sky's coverage better, i pointed out that the BBC's technical and production expertise are so admired other countries pay for them. '"
So I guess you must be the only viewer who doesn't believe the quality & quantity of football, rugby (RU & RL), cricket to name four sports hasn't been increased since Sky's involvement. The BBC had one camera per event (including cricket where every other over you couldn't even see what was happening - they didn't even have the world-beating technical mastery to put a camera at each end!). Events would be interrupted at random for all sorts of reasons, leaving the viewer frustrated. The concept of live games was reserved for FA Cup Finals & other one-off events. If Sky hasn't driven up standards in these sports (& not the BBC), then I don't really know what you should do. Oh yes, I know: buy yourself a black & white telly, get a VHS recorder & watch some tapes of Pot Black, Grandstand, & every other over of a cricket Test Match.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Because it does far more than simply £1b worth of business. Including being one of the largest investors in british tv production by far, creating a mutli-billion pound industry that the UK sells throughout the world. Things the private companies simply dont do.'"
All at the British citizens' expense. Where, in normal working society, would you find a Director of a company who did not have anyone to report to, nor anyone who reported to him/her? & then pay him off handsomely when deeply involved & influencing output over a fat crook. The same place where a KNOWN serial paedophile was lauded, revered & protected.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Try not lying. It will make you look less stupid. '"
Aw diddums - incidentally, what lie?
Quote ="SmokeyTA"You wouldnt have Sky or the other terrestrial channels without the BBC. They simply wouldnt exist. '"
And the BBC would not exist without the existence of John Logie Baird. Great. I thought we were talking about more recent times. I have already stated the BBC has served a wonderful role in the past. Not now.
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Well done you! You've managed to find one Australian article where a few people have claimed their Olympics coverage is not up to scratch. That must prove that the BBC is far superior in every way in all sports coverage. That's two down & 194 countries left (though you may have to do better than a few anecdotal quotes).
Quote ="SmokeyTA"No you didnt, you pointed out you like sky's coverage better, i pointed out that the BBC's technical and production expertise are so admired other countries pay for them. '"
So I guess you must be the only viewer who doesn't believe the quality & quantity of football, rugby (RU & RL), cricket to name four sports hasn't been increased since Sky's involvement. The BBC had one camera per event (including cricket where every other over you couldn't even see what was happening - they didn't even have the world-beating technical mastery to put a camera at each end!). Events would be interrupted at random for all sorts of reasons, leaving the viewer frustrated. The concept of live games was reserved for FA Cup Finals & other one-off events. If Sky hasn't driven up standards in these sports (& not the BBC), then I don't really know what you should do. Oh yes, I know: buy yourself a black & white telly, get a VHS recorder & watch some tapes of Pot Black, Grandstand, & every other over of a cricket Test Match.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Because it does far more than simply £1b worth of business. Including being one of the largest investors in british tv production by far, creating a mutli-billion pound industry that the UK sells throughout the world. Things the private companies simply dont do.'"
All at the British citizens' expense. Where, in normal working society, would you find a Director of a company who did not have anyone to report to, nor anyone who reported to him/her? & then pay him off handsomely when deeply involved & influencing output over a fat crook. The same place where a KNOWN serial paedophile was lauded, revered & protected.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Try not lying. It will make you look less stupid. '"
Aw diddums - incidentally, what lie?
Quote ="SmokeyTA"You wouldnt have Sky or the other terrestrial channels without the BBC. They simply wouldnt exist. '"
And the BBC would not exist without the existence of John Logie Baird. Great. I thought we were talking about more recent times. I have already stated the BBC has served a wonderful role in the past. Not now.
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If it belongs (even in part) to me, then why can't I demand that they switch it off to my household as I do not want to watch it, thus saving me the cost of the licence fee. Do not tell me they can't. If I don't pay my Sky bill, my screen would soon appear blank. There is the technology, just not the will, as they know millions of households would choose not to watch BBC programmes.
