Spot on. Find it funny when people say he wouldn't have been successful without certain players.....well yeah pretty much any coach falls under that category. Do people think without Scholes, Giggs, Cantona, Schmeichel, Ronaldo etc. that Alex Ferguson wins what he did at Man United.

Most peoples opinions that the level of superleague as a whole is getting worse, could it be because most superleague teams have british coaches and they cannot improve the next generation to the next level require. Hodgson at Rovers was a ok hooker goes to aus ,England's 1st choice. Cooper at Warrington ,fringe player goes to aus , now playing for England . Just a thought.

very much so but players will only get to a certain level, once they are at the top of that level and they can just do enough to get by they stagnate, Watkins is becoming a case in point.To excel and become the best you have to compete against the best on a regular basis, The truth may hurt but that is the truth SL is simply becoming too mediocre across the board, the star quality is all but gone.sad but true.

The thing is with mac he has got his favourites and not so favourites ie kirke ans mcshane (who would walk into our 17 at the moment) If the rumours are true about Garbutt and Singo all he needs to do is upset a few more and it could be game over.

I agree with most of these points, except Sutcliffe to 13, he has not been great but our attacking structure has in general been poor, and before Mcguire got injured vs Wire we were also struggling to score points, he shown enough to give him and Mcguire an extended run together. Remember how badly Williams was playing at this point last year?
Also for a good 30 mins of the game against cas he was the only half, what chance has he got?

I dont agree with him being out either, we should judge him at the end of the year, he has got some problems but there are no coaches that are available atm that would obviously be better. He has won 5 major trophies in as many years and deserves the opportunity to see how we're doing in september.

Also, I will say some problems arn't of his making, our academy isnt competing with Wigans atm and JP should probably never have been allowed to leave and should have been made assistant coach or something

How were we meant to stop JP leaving? It's the mark of the man that he wanted to leave and test himself at a lower level club rather than just slip into the role at the treble winners.

I understand your point about the academy but the question is why is that the case? I would venture it's because we have been wildly successful over the last decade which makes it very difficult to promote kids. If you look at youngsters who have left us in that time and are having good careers it shows our youth system is fine. Wigan, as your example have had a relatively quiet ten years and we're playing catch up so they had to focus on promoting youth. I agree they have done it well but that doesn't mean we have been poor, we have just been in a different place.

The Brisbane v NQC was a great game - Roberts is one hell of a centre