Yeah, that was poor from both parties. But the coach should stand strong...unlike JJB in that game.

Also true. However, if its the game I'm thinking of, then it was basically or bust (ironic?) with regards to advancing in the playoffs, a gamble? yes? did it work? maybe not, but that's what you get with a gamble. If a player puts his hands up to play, the coach will more often than not go with the players assessment. Again history shows us that we have come out on the wrong side of the ledger on a occasion (Senior CC final) Watkins (Playoffs at Wigan) Adamson (CC final) but have come out on the right side too Sinfield (playoffs 2012) etc.

The player will always put their hand up to play, its up to the med staff and especially the coach to stand strong and balance the situation out, obviously this early in the season its a no-brainer / easy decision, later on in the season / CC game?? different kettle of fish, rightly or wrongly.

You're wasting your time using common sense like that on here.

does he coach not have a duty of care? had JJB received a career ending injury i'm sure the opinion would have been different

I know, I like to dip in and out every now again though. Y'know, before reverting to talking about cake, milkchurns and pooping on coffee tables, the REAL Southstander discussions.....

Golding
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sinfield McGuire
Cuthbertson Aiton Peacock
Ablett Ward
JJB

Delaney Singleton Leuluai Burrow.

It's certainly looking like there's clearly a problem with Zak

You're wasting your time talking common sense on here - some posters simply cannot see the wood for the trees, they sometimes even argue about games they never even attended!!

Ahh, the coffee table discussion! Classy

Wow, cringeworthy.....3 times now you've used and tried dining out on that debate that didn't originally involve you. I look forward to seeing you use it again when you next struggle for an intelligent or creative retort......so every week basically.

What I find hard to understand is IF there has been something untoward with Zak that could lead to serious trouble.
Why was he even named in the 19 man squad in the first place?
Surely if it is that bad he would not have been named?

Perhaps he was named because there was no certainty, but enough doubt to draft Golding into the squad.

It does now seem we might have seen the last of Zak in a Leeds shirt. A crying shame if so as the lad looked altogether the most talented FB for some time IMO.
However if he is found guilty of some new misdemeanour he can't claim he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip.

Golding is highly rated by many but i think i will miss Zak's defensive capabilities.

I would have dropped zac anyway, his form as been poor, and Golding is a talent deserve his chance. As for last time un a Leeds shirt, it was burrow last week so we will see.

Hoisted by your own petard and not for the first time!! Thought you were being clever jumping on the back of another post, hypocrite. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. When I struggle to match you intellectually I will stop posting - it isn't going to happen any time soon mind.

Am I missing something? Why do people think zak has done something wrong?

Hopefully tonight we get a great game because Super League is on life support if last nights effort is anything to go by!

Wouldn't worry too much. There's always been sh_it games and there always will be. Thankfully most don't live long in the memory.

A very poignant example of what emerged from the WCC - the Aussies careful not to make careless mistakes as it usually costs them - last night the Giants struggled to complete a set yet the Tigers were unable to capitalise. Good job neither of those sides were playing an NRL side - it would have been carnage.

IF Zak has done something wrong, and we all know what we're referring to there. IF he has, he still won't get the sack. Not a chance in hell. Way too talented.

IF he is involved in this alleged incident, I think you might be wrong there. I actually think any action would be mutual aswell.

He was affected by that second incident last season against Saints, and seriously questioned giving the game up, and then whether he should just move to Australia. Therefore if there is another incident, and IF involved his own making, I think there would be a change. I did wonder why his agreed 5 year deal hadn't been announced yet, and wonder if there is some doubts.

Funny though, as I actually messaged Gary Hetherington only a few weeks back and told him that I don't think the club are doing a good thing by encouraging some of these players to live together, and that it could prove bad news for a couple of players. I cited the same situation previously with Bailey and Delaney. Gary didn't agree, but I still think the club are not helping, not all players have the same attitudes, way of living, and life goals.

"I did wonder why his agreed 5 year deal hadn't been announced yet, and wonder if there is some doubts." Maybe one was never signed in the first place? The only place I ever heard of it was you saying it on here.

Does Gary really think the club can tell the players what their living arrangements should be? Why do you think the club have any influence or input on a player's choice of housemate? Bizarre.

At the end of the day players of Zak's age are grown men and need to sort themselves out. My boss has no input or responsibility over my personal choices.

Besides, the Burgess brothers lived together and because they're not wooden tops they did OK.

Who does Zak share a house with Gotcha?
And FWIW I think we could see the last of Zak IF rumours this time are correct.

I never implied in any way at all that the club had told players their living arrangements. I used the word "encouraged". There is a big difference. But something I personally don't think they should have done. I know the reasons for it, especially with Hardaker, but I still don't see the benefit.

I think it's more than rumours. I think we've seen the last of 2 Players in a Leeds Shirt. One is a massive loss and the other .........meh.

You'd hope these lads would be professional enough and "Grown-up enough" to behave in a civilised manner.

Well, whom ever it is I think being sacked from their job is the least of their worries. I'd be investing in some soap on a rope if I were them.

Also, if the people involved had aspirations of playing sport in Aus then they're probably up in smoke too.