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| Oh. Dear the fat contoller. Has spoken
Nigel wood clear signs that it will be brushed under the carpet
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Remind me who made these comments guys?
"This has been totally out of character"
"Everybody is capable of making mistakes, that is my reaction to everybody in life."'"
Was it the same bloke who recently emailed all Super League clubs calling for Todd Carney's registration in Super League to be blocked on the grounds that any other course of action would severely damage the integrity of Super League? The same bloke who only a few weeks earlier had accused the RFL of a witch hunt against one of his players, comments which were deemed prejudicial to the integrity and interests of the game?
You mean that bloke?
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| Flower's a turd. Pure and simple. A cheapshot merchant playing in a team "coached" by a guy with an I.Q. similar to one of their famous meat n tatter pies.
I missed the eloquent live after match interview offering a Wigan's perspective. Perhaps someone else saw it?
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"Flower's a turd. Pure and simple. A cheapshot merchant playing in a team "coached" by a guy with an I.Q. similar to one of their famous meat n tatter pies.
I missed the eloquent live after match interview offering a Wigan's perspective. Perhaps someone else saw it?'"
Didn't your incredibly smart, near MENSA-level IQ coach once get himself sent off in a CC Semi-Final and subsequently banned for an uncalled for attack on opposition players?
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| None of them were unconscious on the floor when he was hitting them.
And, just for the record before any Bradford fans chirp up, none of them were afterwards either.
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| Standing over an unconscious man and striking him in the head.
Good job the Leeds club don't employ anyone with a record for doing that and then dancing "Rocky Balboa" style over him afterwards.
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| Ben Flower is a big, aggressive lump with a nasty temperament on the field and a mean streak a mile wide.
I'd have him at Leeds in a heartbeat.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Ben Flower is a big, aggressive lump with a nasty temperament on the field and a mean streak a mile wide.
I'd have him at Leeds in a heartbeat.'"
Ben Flower wouldn't have looked out of place at Leeds when the late and great Graham Murray was coach.
I agree and if Wigan do decide to cut their losses, Leeds ought to be first in the queue at signing him before a team like Huddersfield does.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Ben Flower wouldn't have looked out of place at Leeds when the late and great Graham Murray was coach.
I agree and if Wigan do decide to cut their losses, Leeds ought to be first in the queue at signing him before a team like Huddersfield does.'"
I doubt Wigan will do anything of the sort. But yes, if they did, I'd be happy to see him here. He'd be close to the top of my list of UK-based forwards to buy if I had a blank chequebook anyway.
I'd like our pack to be a bit nastier.
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| [url=https://vine.co/v/OAjJjZ0KjTz[uFair bit of provocation here![/u[/url
Not that it absolves Flower from that second punch to an already poleaxed Hohaia but it does confirm to me that Hohaia is a nasty little grub who fully deserved the first response.
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| How selective. Flower had already smacked Lance. Hohaia's forearm smash was in response to that. If not for Flower's coward punch, then a yellow card for both would have bee in order.
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| Quote ="William Eve"[url=https://vine.co/v/OAjJjZ0KjTz[uFair bit of provocation here![/u[/url
Not that it absolves Flower from that second punch to an already poleaxed Hohaia but it does confirm to me that Hohaia is a nasty little grub who fully deserved the first response.'"
Old news: I am disappointed in you.
Everybody long ago has countless times stated that Hohaia probably deserved the first punch and both will have suffered 'on report' at worst (the sin bin option seems to have been long forgotten by the on field officaldom). It was the follow through on a prone semi conscious defenceless man that was inexcusable.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Old news: I am disappointed in you.
Everybody long ago has countless times stated that Hohaia probably deserved the first punch and both will have suffered 'on report' at worst (the sin bin option seems to have been long forgotten by the on field officaldom). It was the follow through on a prone semi conscious defenceless man that was inexcusable.'"
I'm gutted that a basket-case like you (second only to Gotcha on this forum) is disappointed in me
That link was the first time I'd seen evidence of Hohaia's deliberate and pre-meditated attack with the forearm.
I'll place you in the "Psychologically Damaged by Wigan (circa mid-80's to mid-90's) camp" shall I?
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| It was just stupid. Flower is a big lad who took a but of a hit off the ball from a half back, that happens. His overreaction left the official with no choice but a red card and left Wigan potless for the season.
I am not convinced the second punch was as pre-meditated as some think , and I actually think he would have escaped a red without it.
In all the comments I've read I haven't heard much about how Flower ruined the night for the man he knocked out. A winners medal he may have but not much to remember from the night.
Ultimately a fitting end to one of the worst seasons I can remember.
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| Quote ="William Eve"I'm gutted that a basket-case like you (second only to Gotcha on this forum) is disappointed in me
That link was the first time I'd seen evidence of Hohaia's deliberate and pre-meditated attack with the forearm.
I'll place you in the "Psychologically Damaged by Wigan (circa mid-80's to mid-90's) camp" shall I?'"
If you wish.
Don't ya just luv people who 'contribute' with personal name calling?
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| Doing the rounds that Leeds have signed Hock on a 2 year deal. I'd take that.
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| Quote ="William Eve"I'm gutted that a basket-case like you (second only to Gotcha on this forum) is disappointed in me
That link was the first time I'd seen evidence of Hohaia's deliberate and pre-meditated attack with the forearm.
I'll place you in the "Psychologically Damaged by Wigan (circa mid-80's to mid-90's) camp" shall I?'"
I must congratulate you on your avatar. A picture of Shaun Wane smiling - I didn't think one existed.
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| Quote ="DHM"In all the comments I've read I haven't heard much about how Flower ruined the night for the man he knocked out. A winners medal he may have but not much to remember from the night.
Ultimately a fitting end to one of the worst seasons I can remember.'"
To be honest, although I feel for Hohaia and hope he has no injuries, the saying "if you play with fire, you're going to get burnt" springs to mind. As a half-back, you can't expect no retaliation when you go and chase a prop and forearm him in the face (even if he shoved you first). He probably would've been out of the game without the second horrible punch - point being a lot of people have said the first one was 'fair'.
And fully agree with the final statement.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"To be honest, although I feel for Hohaia and hope he has no injuries, the saying "if you play with fire, you're going to get burnt" springs to mind. As a half-back, you can't expect no retaliation when you go and chase a prop and forearm him in the face (even if he shoved you first)..'"
So you think that a bit of roughing up deserves a punch to the face while sparked out on the floor then?
He has a broken nose and is being observed for concussion, etc. He can't yet go home until he has been cleared by the medics.
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| Quote ="DHM"I must congratulate you on your avatar. A picture of Shaun Wane smiling - I didn't think one existed.'"
Can't say I'd noticed he was smiling.
Thought I'd finally get around to selecting an avatar and chose a former Leeds player.
That it happens to be Shaun Wane is merely incidental
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"So you think that a bit of roughing up deserves a punch to the face while sparked out on the floor then?
He has a broken nose and is being observed for concussion, etc. He can't yet go home until he has been cleared by the medics.'"
I never said he deserved even the first punch never mind the second, try reading posts before quoting and replying to them.
And looking at it from another POV, does Flower's shove in Hohaia's back 'deserve' a forearm in the chin from him (if you want to use that word)?
Considering the force of the punches, a broken nose is quite lucky. He said himself he wanted to go back on the pitch, quite incredible.
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| Quote ="Sgy Loiner"Doing the rounds that Leeds have signed Hock on a 2 year deal. I'd take that.'"
I've heard that rumour as well.
Cracking news if there's truth in it and it comes to fruition.
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| I would have serious misgivings about signing Gareth Hock. If somebody can get him to be the player he could/should be, then great.
If what you get is some strong carries and offloads accompanied by clocking off in defence, foolish penalties and the occasional long spell collecting his wages from the stands while banned for a brain implosion, not so happy days.
It would be a risk, to say the least.
I very much doubt that it's true anyway.
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| Quote ="William Eve"I've heard that rumour as well.
Cracking news if there's truth in it and it comes to fruition.'"
WHEN on form, just the kind of player we need for our pack, BUT not the kind of person we need at our club and I cannot see anyway that GH will sign him
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I would have serious misgivings about signing Gareth Hock. If somebody can get him to be the player he could/should be, then great.
If what you get is some strong carries and offloads accompanied by clocking off in defence, foolish penalties and the occasional long spell collecting his wages from the stands while banned for a brain implosion, not so happy days.
It would be a risk, to say the least.
I very much doubt that it's true anyway.'"
Barrie McDermott was a loose cannon (on and off the field) who Wigan decided was expendable and whom no other club would entertain. Leeds took a chance on him. Now he's one of two hall of famers on this website
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