Quote ="thebloodbath"Ahem. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/27628117'" From the same BBC site, this.... [iWigan coach Shaun Wane told BBC Radio Manchester: "I'm disappointed with the result, but the best team won on the day. "The ruck was unbelievably slow and that benefitted them immensely. On the back of that, they've got some talented players in their team. [/i My Irony meter, after many years of faithful service, finally exploded.

Quote ="thebloodbath"Ahem. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/27628117'" From the same BBC site, this.... [iWigan coach Shaun Wane told BBC Radio Manchester: "I'm disappointed with the result, but the best team won on the day. "The ruck was unbelievably slow and that benefitted them immensely. On the back of that, they've got some talented players in their team. [/i My Irony meter, after many years of faithful service, finally exploded.

That said, I did think Hudds were really pushing their luck in that department last night.

Funny on the Wigan board that was happy with the refs after Magic weekend are now crying over pretty much nothing incidents in the Hudds game last night.

McGuire as been shocking tonight, think this pretty much proves what the post was started for, he looks like a knackered race horse.

Absolutely shocking first half.

But I remember a thread a few weeks back, with the exact same post at half time, and I think it was you then. Then in the second half he was brilliant. Needs to do something tonight to save his embarrassment.

I remember last time we played Wire and Hall was rubbish and had been for 12 months because he got "fat".

We've been cr*p tonight no doubt but eventually we were going to put in a shocker. Compared to 2011 and 2012 when they were far too often.

I'd say let's not knee jerk but I fear it'll fall on deaf ears in the next 48 hours.

McGuire - did he play?
He was totally anonymous tonight.

I wish he was anonymous.

He didn't return in the second half I thought.
Sinfield was also poor again.
Once again the forwards got mullered by a more aggressive and enthusiastic pack.
Was Delaney injured, rested or dropped?

He was taken off early in the second half (and didn't re-appear) after a woeful attempted tackle on Joel Monaghan in the build up to the Warrington 'no try' VR decision. Robbie Ward came on for him.

Not a moment too soon as well. One of Danny's worst Leeds performances, unfortunately

First time this season that our pack looked absolutely shot. Never been one to jump on the Kirke out bandwagon but after tonight I'm afraid there's not much more he can offer.

I know he wasn't the only one, far from it, BUT that was a rock bottom performance from Danny ! Failed to make any of his first 5 tackles - missed plenty more during the time he was on the field ! Had at least 2 kicks charged down & several of his passes hit the turf rather than a fellow players hands.
It was a blessing for everyone (especially him) when he was replaced.

Danny's key attribute was his speed, that started to disappear 2 years ago, now he is slow. Slow in his decision making, slow with his distribution and slow in his support play. Let's hope the senior leaders don't become too sentimental, tremendous thanks Danny for some superb memories but it's time to go. The team must come first.

I can take players not performing, providing they at least look like they're trying.

Can't even say that about McGuire last night. Shat himself and hid from minute one. A spineless performance.

It's not just last night, he has not been performing well for sometime now.
Okay he has lost his speed, but that is not too vital if you have the creativity.
Harris was never the quickest even in his younger days, but his creativity and passing ability compensated for that.
McGuire does not have that same ability and his defence last night was plain pathetic.

Ridiculous comment. There is only one spineless player in this squad and it certainly isn't McGuire.

However, he was shocking, mainly in defence. Can't be too critical of the attack as he was behind a completely outplayed pack but his defence was shocking. If I were to defend him I'd suggest people look at the defender inside him (Moon) and the bizarre decisions he often makes leaving Danny very isolated.

With Sutcliffe at least offering some threat it's time he partnered Sinfield (who wasn't much better but at least he can tackle) in the halves.

And lets cross our fingers Burrow heals quickly and peoiple realise he is the best 7 at the club and should play there.

Danny has been a fantastic servant to Leeds, but I think Tony Smith did his work on us, all the traffic was running at Danny as his defence is not his strongest suit. They held us down, and were in our face off a skinny 10 from Mr Child. Wire played off a quick play the ball and put pressure and our kickers and back three. I know we didn't play well, but we were well beaten by a well coached team, who knew all our weaknesses. I am sorry to say this but I think Danny has had his day along with a number of our senior players.

He did a real number on us, that's for sure. It was a vintage tony smith performance, I remember when we used to blow teams away in 2004/1st half 2005 with that type of rugby.

Since tony smith took over warrington we either narrowly beat them or get a right good pasting. When smith's teams are on, they are ON.

Except we're not discussing Kirke, much as that's your topic du jour.

McGuire missed about five tackles in the first half hour simply because he made no attempt to use the shoulder and went in like a flapping baby bird instead. He then spent the rest of the game hiding in a massive hole, standing and passing (usually to the floor) as soon as he got the ball because he was scared to take on the line.

Simply, his fell out when put under pressure. While someone's constant references to him as "biscuit bones" might be inappropriate, his other choice of term ("flat track bully"icon_wink.gif is spot on. No doubt he will look much more interested against Leigh when there will be tries for the taking.

Christ only knows what he would have been like had Warrington been able to run Westwood or Waterhouse at him rather than their second choice back row.

McGuire was dire last night it happens - he has been a major contributive in the success of this team over the past ten years. To dismiss him as a fat track bully simply illustrates your inability to understand what you see with your own eyes. He hasn't got the speed anymore to take the line on - neither has his half back partner who was equally dire last night but escapes your attention - as he always does. Him walking on the surface of the River Aire must have real impressed you? Isn't that what he does because there is no other justification for the idolisation you give him based on what has happened on the pitch over the past eighteen months.

I would like to see you out there on the field facing sixteen stones guys running at you - it would be hoped they had several pairs of shorts as you certainly would be needing them!! No player who goes out on field at this level let's their booty fall out - to suggest so is - as Gareth said - a ridiculous comment.

I know you have a strong dislike for Kirke, and I'm not even saying he should stay in the 17 and the club beyond this year (he shouldn't). But calling him spineless is very poor on your behalf. Like you said before when defending anybody who steps onto a rugby pitch, it takes bottle and making 30+ tackles against a good Wire showing hardly lacking in spine......his ability in question yes, spineless.....poor comment.

I calls it as I see it. Wouldn't use that phrase for any other Leeds player, whether they be good, bad or terrible, Even Joe Vickery had a go. Kirke steals a living.

Don't quote me 30+ tackles like it shows the lump can defend. I saw all I needed to see about his defence when Leeds went 12 nil down. Leaning on 3rd man in 30 times doesn't make him a defensive machine.

Kirke, my topic du jour? I guess you haven't been reading my posts on him four the last five years. I've complained about his pathetic "efforts" for quite some time.

I'm no McGuire fan. It seems his best days are way behind him and I'd prefer to see Burrow, when fit, back at 7. Last night McGuire was truly dreadful (not alone). However, I've never seen the lad put in a "spineless" effort. He was having a dig last night against a well beaten pack. His defence was as bad as it sometimes can be and he wasn't helped by the player inside him.

But spineless, not this Leeds legend.

Never called him a defensive machine, neither do I think ALL his 30 tackles were as 3rd man.

I'm not, REPEAT NOT, saying he was/or is good enough. But some of what you've come out with is poorer than any effort from Kirke.

Meh, I'm sick of watching his lack of effort. It irks me. Often we get by despite his lack of effort causing too much hassle due to the 16 other lads that carry him but last night his worst traits put us squarely in a 12 point hole.

Not saying we would have won without him but even when Wire were busting us every other player showed desire and effort. But not the spineless lump.

I can be rational and objective about every other player. Like Gilder said in his mis=directed comments, I can't abide lack of effort.