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| i wonder how much these people were paid to go on the program
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| Quote ="craigizzard"The "attractive girl from a remand home" would be under 16, surely, otherwise she wouldn't be in a remand home.'"
Could have been 16 years old.
The police didn't seem that bothered, again thats another sign of those times, and brutality and sexual abuse were commonplace in such establishments (apparently) with both boys and girls being vulnerable, I can well believe that she may have been under age and I can well believe that the police would turn a blind eye to what is alleged to have happened.
The 1970s were great times to be growing up in your teens and 20s but attitudes to sex, ethnicity, disability, age, were a million miles away from what they are now, it may have been illegal but it was hardly ever prosecuted.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"The "attractive girl from a remand home" would be under 16, surely, otherwise she wouldn't be in a remand home.'"
He was investigated by the police under caution on those two allegations and no charges were made due to insufficient evidence.
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"I wouldnt look to be defending Jimmy Saville but I would be prepared to defend his right to a FAIR hearing.
How can the truth be established with only one side of the story being heard.'"
Oh I agree wholeheartedly - Savile is unable to defend himself and it looks like it's open season on Jimmy's reputation at the moment.
But the inverse is also just as applicable - should the crimes of the deceased be ignored simply because they are dead?
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Oh I agree wholeheartedly - Savile is unable to defend himself and it looks like it's open season on Jimmy's reputation at the moment.
But the inverse is also just as applicable - should the crimes of the deceased be ignored simply because they are dead?'"
What crimes??? So far I have only read hearsay rumours and heard uncorroborated allegations. No actual evidence.
Do we ignore the serious allegations? NO but we must establish the facts first by due process.
Trial by media is not acceptable.
Apparently there is a 3 year statute of limitations on claims for assault and it is apparently not possible to prosecute the dead but you can slander them and libel them with impunity.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"
But the inverse is also just as applicable - should the crimes of the deceased be ignored simply because they are dead?'"
No, but you have to be able to prove that those crimes took place and proof and conviction do not usually only come from one source - add to that the fact that crimes of a sexual nature are always among the most difficult to obtain a conviction from even when both parties are still alive, even when DNA evidence is there, its often one word against the other.
Linda Bellingham gave a good description of attitudes in the 1970s this morning on Radio Leeds, the fact that as a young actress working in TV and theatre it was expected that you'd be groped, touched inapproriately, have your backside slapped and pinched and have all sorts of insinuations made on a daily basis and that the joke would always be on the female especially if she objected - she wasn't at all surprised that these allegations are being made, just rather shocked that those who claim that this was common knowledge have kept so quiet for so long.
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"Quote ="craigizzard"The "attractive girl from a remand home" would be under 16, surely, otherwise she wouldn't be in a remand home.'"
He was investigated by the police under caution on those two allegations and no charges were made due to insufficient evidence.'"
This refers to a different incident, detailed in Savile's autobiography. One where, as he himself said, the police turned a blind eye because he'd "take half the station down with him".
I have nothing against a fair hearing, by the way. But the discussion of these allegations is all part of that.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"This refers to a different incident, detailed in Savile's autobiography. One where, as he himself said, the police turned a blind eye because he'd "take half the station down with him".
I have nothing against a fair hearing, by the way. But the discussion of these allegations is all part of that.'"
Not sure how he would now get a fair hearing being deceased.
Given the statute of limitations for cases of assault what are these alleged victims hoping to achieve ???
It cant be claims for compensation has he cant be prosecuted apparently according to legal advice.
It can only be to destroy his reputation then IMO.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"This refers to a different incident, detailed in Savile's autobiography. One where, as he himself said, the police turned a blind eye because he'd "take half the station down with him".
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Thats another thing that I find remarkable about these stories, Rantzen and Gambacini stayed quiet because they were scared of the power that Savile had at the BBC, the police didn't investigate his treatment of a girl who at the absolute would have been 16, because "he'd take half the police station with him".
Who the hell was he, Don Corleone ?
I can tell you stories of the Leeds Police Force from the mid to late 70s that would make you gasp and laugh at the same time, but I don't consider that I held any sort of sway over them - and some of those stories involve commonplace illegality by very senior officers.
The buggers still threw me in the back of a van one saturday afternoon when one of my mates insisted that I'd shoplifted some Bergasol from Boots the Chemist though (I hadn't ) and no amount of shouting "I saw xxxxxx drive himself home during a shift overlap last Saturday and we had to help him out of the bar into his car" would get me off until they got bored and threw me out near the markets
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| I was reading "the station" as meaning the BBC as it was often refered to in this manner at that time.
So the inference is that Jimmy Savile would have been able to implicate many others in these alleged abuses, which is not surprising IMO.
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| What i find really shocking is that so many claim to be ITK yet not one spoke out and they've waited all this time to reveal this!!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"What i find really shocking is that so many claim to be ITK yet not one spoke out and they've waited all this time to reveal this!!'"
Your right.
What is truely shocking is anyone who had suspicions, or even worse, had actual evidence of abuse of young under age girls but they are admitting they did nothing about it at the time.
I dont know how they can have the gall to go in front of the camera now and admit this fact.
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| I'll say one thing about these allegations, the number of text messages I have received regarding Jimmy Saville has increased
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| These allegations against JS haven't changed my opinion of him one iota.
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| I'm waiting for Cameron to announce that experiments will begin immediately to bring him back to life so he may then be hung for his crimes.
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| There was a BBC exec on R4 this morning who told James Naughtie that anyone who had anything to report should contact the BBC.
Quite apart from the fact that the police are the correct people to be contacted, not the BBfeckinC, it sounded to me like he'd laid himself wide open for every attention-seeking fruitcake to try and get their hour in the limelight.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"I'm waiting for Cameron to announce that experiments will begin immediately to bring him back to life so he may then be hung for his crimes.'"
Zombie Savile would be a sight to behold.
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| Quote ="wigan_rlfc"Zombie Savile would be a sight to behold.'"
probably look better than when he was living
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| Freddie Starr next.should be good.I wonder who next?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"Freddie Starr next.should be good.I wonder who next?'"
Rod Hull
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| Quote ="flipper"Quote ="lionarmour87"Freddie Starr next.should be good.I wonder who next?'"
Rod Hull
apparently the BBC regularly turned a blind eye to reports of him fisting a young bird'"
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| Quote ="Wheels"Reminds me of the time when those Sun readers went and trashed some poor sod's home because he was a Paediatrician.'"
Why do you think poor old jimmy somerville has gone into hiding?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"There was a BBC exec on R4 this morning who told James Naughtie that anyone who had anything to report should contact the BBC.
Quite apart from the fact that the police are the correct people to be contacted, not the BBfeckinC, it sounded to me like he'd laid himself wide open for every attention-seeking fruitcake to try and get their hour in the limelight.'"
Any BBC or ex BBC staff who feel they may have information.
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