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| Quote ="Sam Buca II"It may have been what he wanted?'"
If that's the case then the offer should be withdrawn imo.
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| This is a no brainer now for Amor. We've messed him about for 2 years and now seemingley cannot make a decision on him so we let him choose. Only 1 decision he will make now, stay at the team that have given him a proper chance in SL and where he's enjoying his Rugby. Why would he turn that down to return to us and join the back of the prop queue.
Smacks of indecision to me this.
Surely we and Wakey need to know now what is going to happen as surely it effects both clubs possible retention and signing off other players for next season?
A bit of a 'what if' but IF we really are interested in Taylor from Hull KR then surely we need to know NOW whether we've got Amor for next season to decide whether to bring Taylor in or not (assuming there's only room for 1 of them and not both)
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| Lets not make assumptions here, for all we know Amor may have requested this so he can see the season out with Wakefield before switching to Leeds. Or it could be that Leeds wanted to recall him but Wakefield negotiated this option. Maybe Leeds haven't got the cap space right now but may have by next season.
We just don't know.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Lets not make assumptions here, for all we know Amor may have requested this so he can see the season out with Wakefield before switching to Leeds. Or it could be that Leeds wanted to recall him but Wakefield negotiated this option. Maybe Leeds haven't got the cap space right now but may have by next season.
We just don't know.'"
He was always there for the full season, regardless of what decision was made. We know that.
The agreement was Leeds had to let the player and Wakefield know they wanted him for next season by midnight on the 31st July. He was always going to be at Wakefield for the remainder of this season though.
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| Quote ="marathonman"decision deferred to end of season and Kyle gets to choose where he goes.
Strange decision ? Leeds either want him back or don't.'"
Obviously they don't .... Either 'the sleeve' has something up his sleeve or the club has discovered the elixer of life to allow Peacock, Kylie, Moore etc to continue on forever
if it was some technically of cap space until the end of THIS season, it would not stop the club announcing its intention of taking him back he start of next season if he was in their long term plans.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Lets not make assumptions here, for all we know Amor may have requested this so he can see the season out with Wakefield before switching to Leeds. Or it could be that Leeds wanted to recall him but Wakefield negotiated this option. Maybe Leeds haven't got the cap space right now but may have by next season.
We just don't know.'"
Cap space? We haven't replaced the salaries of Buderus, Senior and Lauititi yet. Also Smith has just gone and Webb will be gone next year. Also the deal wasn't to bring Amor back right now.
That said, perhaps the deal is contingent on us offloading Kirke or Moore for next season, or Leuluai doing a Scott Donald, because we've got a couple of blockbuster deals in the pipeline that will take us towards full cap for next year if they come off
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Quote ="Fat Boy"Lets not make assumptions here, for all we know Amor may have requested this so he can see the season out with Wakefield before switching to Leeds. Or it could be that Leeds wanted to recall him but Wakefield negotiated this option. Maybe Leeds haven't got the cap space right now but may have by next season.
We just don't know.'"
Cap space? We haven't replaced the salaries of Buderus, Senior and Lauititi yet. Also Smith has just gone and Webb will be gone next year. Also the deal wasn't to bring Amor back right now.
That said, perhaps the deal is contingent on us offloading Kirke or Moore for next season, or Leuluai doing a Scott Donald, because we've got a couple of blockbuster deals in the pipeline that will take us towards full cap for next year if they come off
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Can you say anymore on the couple of blockbuster deals in the pipeline?
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| Quote ="rhino2009"Can you say anymore on the couple of blockbuster deals in the pipeline?'"
No, because like everyone else here I don't actually know anything about them.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He was always there for the full season, regardless of what decision was made. We know that.
The agreement was Leeds had to let the player and Wakefield know they wanted him for next season by midnight on the 31st July. He was always going to be at Wakefield for the remainder of this season though.'"
You're right. He was never coming back to us this year. yesterday was simply the deadline for us stating whether we wanted him next year or not.
All this means is they've extended the deadline until the end of the year and are going to let Kyle commit to which club he wants to play for. Makes sense, why force a player to come back if his heart is elsewhere.
That said, leeds should want Kyle back and they should be convincing him to come back. If I were were I'd want some assurances about where I fit in the prop rotation and from what I've seen he'd certainly be one of Leeds first choice props.
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| Quote ="G1"Quote ="Gotcha"He was always there for the full season, regardless of what decision was made. We know that.
The agreement was Leeds had to let the player and Wakefield know they wanted him for next season by midnight on the 31st July. He was always going to be at Wakefield for the remainder of this season though.'"
You're right. He was never coming back to us this year. yesterday was simply the deadline for us stating whether we wanted him next year or not.
All this means is they've extended the deadline until the end of the year and are going to let Kyle commit to which club he wants to play for. Makes sense, why force a player to come back if his heart is elsewhere.
That said, leeds should want Kyle back and they should be convincing him to come back. If I were were I'd want some assurances about where I fit in the prop rotation and from what I've seen he'd certainly be one of Leeds first choice props.'"
Pretty much spot on. You'd expect them to want him to stay, and let him know.
Of course, this will probably have all been carried out behind closed doors, so he could well be coming back, and the news being held back for a 'rainy day'
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| Quote ="G1"That said, leeds should want Kyle back and they should be convincing him to come back. If I were were I'd want some assurances about where I fit in the prop rotation and from what I've seen he'd certainly be one of Leeds first choice props.'"
The assurances he may seek could be financial. And if this is the case, it's a shrewd move by the club. He's not available to play for clubs other than us or Wakey so presumably any improved contract awarded on the basis of his progression will only need to exceed whatever Wakey, a club alleged to be spending below the cap, can offer which would render us the more attractive financial option. As you point out, he could, quite feasibly, be playing as a frontline prop at a top club next year. And on not much more than wakey would be paying him. Of course it's possible that his loyalties lie with Wakey and we might lose him but this isn't a scenario that's fazed Hetherington in the past.
It could be imagination on my part but don't must of our loaned-out players end up at clubs spending well below the cap?
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| The balls in Amor's court. Decision lies with him.
At Wakie he has the assurance of playing week-in week-out.
If he re-joins us not the case.
For him to make that decision he would probably need to know how he would be judged in Leeds 2013 pecking order.
Will be intresting to see how he plays it. If he does come back and doesn't get the game time I can see Leeds releasing him to secure game time.
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| I think Amor has taken his chance at Wakefield very well and the experience will have had a positive effect on his development. I would bring him back as I think he looks good enough to challenge for a regular spot in the 17.
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| Bring him back, give him a run in the team and then go from there. Some players fit in at one team but not another. This may be the case but without knowledge of how he fits into the team I would not just cast him aside to another super league team.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Amor is distinctly average. What we would gain by bringing him back I do not know. We should be setting our sights way higher than that.'"
Yeah you believe that my son I love Rhino fans like you, pure comedy gold.
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| i would imagine he has seeked assurances about where leeds see him playing, if he beleieves he will get a decent chance at leeds i think there is a good chance he will stay.
personally would rather see amor than moore and hauraki. also a year playing with peacock and kylie would help him improve.
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| Given the obvious lack of faith in him shown by Leeds to date, I'd have no problem with Amor asking for some assurance that he'd be given a fair chance at the starting 17 next season if he returns. If BM and co aren't thinking of him as a very likely first 17 player, then they should tell him and let him make up his mind with full information.
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| Could be Leeds waiting to see how this season pans out. A CC and/or GF success will most likely see the current group rewarded with another season which leaves no room for Amor. A Cup Final defeat and early playoff exit might see him reintroduced as part of a supporter-appeasing move from GH along with the exits of one or two fowards.
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| Meh, he's a decent player but probably not in the top 20 props in the competition IMO.
Good luck to him whatever he decides to do.
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| On current form where would you put JP,Griffin, Moore and Kylie?
Not sure many of those 4 would be in the top 20 either.
Amor is young and has potential and was better than any of our props on Monday again.
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| Quote ="chapylad"better than any of our props on Monday again.'"
So were Raleigh and Wilkes. Are we signing them as well?
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Gotcha aint happy unless unless he's being controversial in some way or another.'"
What's controversial about stating a truth?
He is way down the pecking order of props in this country, and therefore by definition "average".
We need to improve on what we have, and he isn't an improvement. Scott Taylor by contrast would be.
It appears posters go on about Amor, not because of an improvement, but just for the sake of change.
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| Quote ="chapylad"On current form where would you put JP,Griffin, Moore and Kylie?
Not sure many of those 4 would be in the top 20 either.
Amor is young and has potential and was better than any of our props on Monday again.'"
JP was a machine on Monday, made huge yards and carried the rest of the forwards as best he could. The last 3 weeks he's really turned it around, been absolutely immense. Similarly, Griffin has really bossed the forwards when he's been given reasonable game time. I'd like to see Griffins minutes increase, and more rest for JP.
Given we're seeing the back of Smith & Webb, and I'd expect Hauraki, with Ward going up in salary, and potentially Amor coming back, there's at least room for 1 extra big money signing. That said, I wouldn't be too sad if Moore went, and we need to look at Kirke (despite his improved displays) and what he can offer, now being 30.
Lastly, Clarkson's not even making the 17 any more, and a decision needs to be made on his future.
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I've seen all three Leeds Wakefield games and for large parts he's been the best prop on the field.
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